And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.
Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It’s available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.
Screenshot:
I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.
I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!
and if you install it via fatpak its almost 1GB
Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.
This is a physical defect. Macros make one key press effect one or more action button or key press. For instance if a common operation involves pressing a b and c in sequence you can make one button on your mouse actuate that sequence.
You can’t bind a macro to left click because then you can’t left click anymore. Even if you bound double clicking to single click (if this is even possible) it would mean every time it single click you would effect nothing which is equally if not more broken.
You need to either take your mouse apart and fix it or throw it in the trash.
would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos
I use https://macmousefix.com/en/ on my Mac mouse. I’m not sure of its range of features.
+1 for using space sniffer. It’s the best of such apps I’ve found. Unfortunately doesn’t seem to get updated any more.
Windirstat or kdirstat for the win
Windirstat crew represent
Move to WizTree. Thank me later
Windirstat is slow. For my Linux homies we use Qdirstat. 8tb full picture of each filesize, faster than I can blink
Same. Surprised to see so many people talking Windows on Lemmy.
Wiztree is much faster
Mmm, I’ve migrated from Windows now, but it would have interested me a year ago!
GNOME Disk Usage Analyzer
Amateur! ncdu! 😂
I can’t stand the look of Windirstat lol.
I use explorer++ now because it can show subdir sizes. Unfortunately performance suffers quite a bit because of no caching and unsmart file system lol. Maybe linux has this basic and essential feature in it’s file explorer.
We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…
Fuck electron, fuck “web first” apps, fuck the “all application in the future will be websites” mentality.
The sad reality of the end of Windows dominance.
Man, they really developed the most unfun layout system and then tried to force it to everyone
That’s not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware.
Back in my days, you had to overwrite some .exe with a “0” to disable Nvidia from spying on you. The overwrite, because they would just download it again if you deleted the .exe.
I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.
After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.
Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.
Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) “missing” their “register your PC with us” app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.
This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.
Don’t look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.
Nvidia drivers at least do something that are fairly complex and heavy, and they’re necessary. Whereas this thing is just some comically overdeveloped and extremely annoying piece of bloatware from Logitech to remap a bunch of buttons.
The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64’s GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.
That driver was using 0.5% of system resources! I thought it would be worse when I saw “259 blocks free”, but overall that’s pretty good.
Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.
VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.
It’s not like traditional methods of packing apps are without problems. If I want to install the qbittorrent flatpak on Ubuntu, it pulls in >1gb of KDE depenencies, so I really don’t see how that’s better than these dreaded electron apps.
Or you can use qbittorrent-nox which is a server-only package of qbittorrent and just interact with it via its the web interface from your favorite browser.
Mind you, I only know this by chance because I explicitly wanted to run qbittorrent as a service on an always on machine which is not supposed to be used with keyboard and mouse.
The 1gb of KDE dependencies are one time only, but there’s also the option of just using OpenGL + bare x11 or Wayland for GUI. If my game engine could pull it off, if IMGUI apps could pull it off, then everyone could pull it off, we just need a UI framework not ddependent on either GTK or qt.
“One time only”? In theory yes, in practice I don’t have anything else that needs those KDE dependencies. When I remove qbittorrent I can safely remove them. This is just a reality check that desktop GUI frameworks and package management are really not much better than Electron/html as lots of comments in this thread seem to suggest.
That is your use case, that relative to your individual usage only one application uses the framework. In that very specific scenario, sure. However with electron it’s forced to be that way for every single application no matter what your scenario is.
If electron packaged as a dependency, then it would be similar. But it’s always forcibly bundled.
But did it support RGB?
Didn’t think so, checkmate!
A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.
The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.
The driver:
There’s something inside you
It’s hard to explain
They’re talking about you, boy
But you’re still the same
Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:
https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer
AI prompt builder? What? It’s a fucking mouse???
It is repulsive to me in its entirety but apparently the vibe coders dig it.
Why should that be bundled with peripherals… doesn’t seem to be a good “synergy”.
“Vibe coders” read as “fucking idiots”
But it has AI? If your mouse doesn’t have AI, you’re living in the past
Edit:
postpastGive me the past or give me death
for this?
Logitech, the data company?!?!
holy fucking shit. I once programmed a mouse driver for an 8 bit computer with 32kb of ram. I don’t remember the exact size of the compiled driver but it was under 1kb.
Today’s tech companies probably couldn’t even figure out a way to make a hello world in python without it needing 100gb of storage, an Intel Core9/AMD Ryzen 7000 or better, an internet connection and an online user account.
The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.
Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.
A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.
Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they’re microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren’t PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)
I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.
Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?
All the cool kids are running kubernetes
what the fuck?? why would a mouse need ai? ancient computer user here who is very confused lol
You can configure you mouse to press a button and it brings up a prompt where you can type an AI query in there.
To better know everything you do and train it on AI.i mean, To improve Productivity and convenience.To better track you. I mean, “enhancing your user experience.”
Maybe it can AFK my character in games for me
The AI plays all video games for you, leaving you more time to work and be productive.
It’ll bring down your kd bro be careful.
The driver consumes a few KB. The bullshit software that you don’t need to install is what’s consuming the GB.
Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy…
It wasn’t too long ago that a USB mouse would store the divers on the mouse.
That was actually never the case. The default USB mouse driver comes with the OS. And also today any modern mouse will work just fine with the default USB mouse driver in the OS.
What this abomination is is a kind of extended driver that allows the user to e.g. remap buttons on the mouse or control RGB lights. You know, anything but the actual basic functionality of the mouse.
You’re thinking of the Titan submersible accident, I think. But they ended up stored on a Logitech controller, not a mouse.
wtf AI in your mouse driver?
Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!
It’s training itself to pass those mouse based “I’m human” checks that some sites use.
That’s hilarious. But might actually not be a joke.
