As AI companies rave about how their products are revolutionizing productivity, Senator Bernie Sanders wants the tech industry to put its money where its automated mouth is.
A.I. aside, we should get 4 day work weeks regardless.
I’m not saying that the law would require all wages to stay the same, I’m saying that without the law specifically stating that wages MUST raise to accommodate, they will stay the same, resulting in overall less payment. We can’t even get a federal minimum wage increase, certainly not a full wage increase tied to an hours reduction.
Yes, why? The example would still ring true with a reduction from 40 to 32 hours.
how does a law force companies to scale wages instead of firing? At-will employment is a thing. How does a law also retroactively make all at-will employment subject to investigation if they dont scale wages and fire instead? What laws around the world accomodate this kind of situation?
Lots of people advocate for things that have unforseen consequences. Its not impossible for that to happen, no?
Company needs x amounts of work done for which it requires y amounts of employees. An av employee is not going to take exponentially more work on its shoulders all so that the companys profit line, so the company will keep all its employees it requires plus a few ceos…
Could some companies tittering on bankruption go up? Yes, but their and their owners/shareholders interest is to be secondary of that of the greater public
so the company will keep all its employees it requires
Is that not the case now? Companies only have the staff the require at any time, no? So if hours get cut, they cut staff, no? I’m all for reducing work weeks to 4 days, it honestly won’t bother me even if I take a pay cut, I make enough right now so a pay cut won’t hurt me. I’m just wondering how in the world is my employer going to feel incentivized to pay me more an hour to work fewer hours. Let’s say I make $100/hour (I don’t). I work 40 hours a week. $4000 a week, cool. Now a law happens: I can only work 32 hours for full time and more than that is overtime. I’m still making $100/hr, no? Okay, $3200 a week. That’s fine and dandy if you make that much, but I’m just wondering how that helps people who make minimum wage and whatnot. They can just keep working 5 days, overtime now, to keep up their bills while I, a person who makes more than them, get to enjoy the sweat off of their back on my off day?
This already happens with weekends: poor people work them, not the rich. It’s not a zero sum thing, but I’d absolutely prefer a solid UBI plan than a 32 hour work week. With a UBI, a 32 hour work week can just happen naturally as people work less. Either way, I’m just have way more questions with a 32 hour work week than a UBI, and a UBI can get much better support than a 4 day work week honestly.
Thats what I was asking, will there be laws to ensure a raise in wages? What are those actual policies being proposed? Is the FCC going to enforce it? The trump FCC is gonna do it or what happens when the next republican president happens?
But what laws are being proposed by which lawmakers? You understand we need congress for this proposal, right? You say Bernie wants 32 hours, but is he for raising wages forcing all corporations and small businesses to raise their wages by 20%, or just raising the minimum wage? Who else in congress is on board with the laws he’s proposing? Is there a bill? Until any of that happens it’s all talk.
I’m not saying that the law would require all wages to stay the same, I’m saying that without the law specifically stating that wages MUST raise to accommodate, they will stay the same, resulting in overall less payment. We can’t even get a federal minimum wage increase, certainly not a full wage increase tied to an hours reduction.
Yes, why? The example would still ring true with a reduction from 40 to 32 hours.
But… like… do you think someone would openly campaign with a plan that fucks everyone over? I… I just remembered that Trump is a thing…
But yea, such law would necessitate that
how does a law force companies to scale wages instead of firing? At-will employment is a thing. How does a law also retroactively make all at-will employment subject to investigation if they dont scale wages and fire instead? What laws around the world accomodate this kind of situation?
Lots of people advocate for things that have unforseen consequences. Its not impossible for that to happen, no?
Dude…
Company needs x amounts of work done for which it requires y amounts of employees. An av employee is not going to take exponentially more work on its shoulders all so that the companys profit line, so the company will keep all its employees it requires plus a few ceos…
Could some companies tittering on bankruption go up? Yes, but their and their owners/shareholders interest is to be secondary of that of the greater public
Is that not the case now? Companies only have the staff the require at any time, no? So if hours get cut, they cut staff, no? I’m all for reducing work weeks to 4 days, it honestly won’t bother me even if I take a pay cut, I make enough right now so a pay cut won’t hurt me. I’m just wondering how in the world is my employer going to feel incentivized to pay me more an hour to work fewer hours. Let’s say I make $100/hour (I don’t). I work 40 hours a week. $4000 a week, cool. Now a law happens: I can only work 32 hours for full time and more than that is overtime. I’m still making $100/hr, no? Okay, $3200 a week. That’s fine and dandy if you make that much, but I’m just wondering how that helps people who make minimum wage and whatnot. They can just keep working 5 days, overtime now, to keep up their bills while I, a person who makes more than them, get to enjoy the sweat off of their back on my off day?
This already happens with weekends: poor people work them, not the rich. It’s not a zero sum thing, but I’d absolutely prefer a solid UBI plan than a 32 hour work week. With a UBI, a 32 hour work week can just happen naturally as people work less. Either way, I’m just have way more questions with a 32 hour work week than a UBI, and a UBI can get much better support than a 4 day work week honestly.
Its not in their interest to pay you more, tough knuckies for them as it will be mandated
Why do you think you need their consent and support?
Thats what I was asking, will there be laws to ensure a raise in wages? What are those actual policies being proposed? Is the FCC going to enforce it? The trump FCC is gonna do it or what happens when the next republican president happens?
…. Yes, something being mandated means that it is change brought by law; a law is not a law if its not enforced
But what laws are being proposed by which lawmakers? You understand we need congress for this proposal, right? You say Bernie wants 32 hours, but is he for raising wages forcing all corporations and small businesses to raise their wages by 20%, or just raising the minimum wage? Who else in congress is on board with the laws he’s proposing? Is there a bill? Until any of that happens it’s all talk.