• plz1@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    They should allow a backdoor, but only on UK Parliament members’ phones.

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    18 hours ago

    Only the US is allowed to backdoor every company globally! /s

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      There is no backdoor in Apple’s encryption. That’s the reason the US and UK governments have prosecuted Apple repeatedly. They can obtain iCloud data with a warrant, but are repeatedly pressing for real-time surveillance. The UK banned encryption without a backdoor, so Apple turned off encryption rather than compromising their standard.

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        13 hours ago

        The funny thing is, advanced data protection was optional, and not on by default. Apple just stopped offering it in the UK

        https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756

        When it’s enabled, they can’t access iCloud data at all, even with a warrant due to the fact it’s E2E with keys they don’t control. That’s what the UK got really mad about. But Apple shut the whole feature down for the UK in response to the backdoor ask.

        It’s not different from the UK banning signal because it’s E2E encrypted and they can’t access it.

        They’re likely only backing down now because of consumer/media backlash

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        17 hours ago

        These things you write, they are not in any way substantiation of the claim that Apple doesn’t make backdoors.

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            In theory you can learn mind reading from some fantasy universe and check every Apple person. Or ask a crystal ball. Or use some other way to collect full information about our universe, check every rabbit hole, so to say, and then confidently confirm “there’s no Apple backdoor here”. “Here” meaning this plane of existence.

            In practice yes.

            EDIT: Forgot - the “refused to cooperate” and “they have disagreements” things even in daily wisdom don’t change the probability of Apple having made backdoors. It’s PR. You most likely won’t learn it from the news if they do, in fact, cooperate.

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              Even in your made up scenario it doesn’t prove the negative. Maybe your mind reading didn’t work because Apple has a mind wiping device that made them forget. Maybe the crystal ball didn’t work because Apple made an even more powerful “crystal ball blocking” device. You can’t prove that’s not what’s really happening.

              So no, you in fact can’t prove a negative.

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                12 hours ago

                With that additional detail in possibilities it’s also not possible to ever fully prove a positive.

                My example was with an assumption that you have the full information. Hypothetically.

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                I didn’t say “prove”, I used another word with bigger allowance. Of “likely backdoors vs likely not” kind. I wanted to say that their “public” conflicts with governments and their statements of the “trust us, we won’t sell you” kind are all worth nothing, because being caught lying won’t cost them anything.

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      17 hours ago

      Feck you too, I guess. If that’s how you want to behave.

      I could understand you being unhappy with our government, but just blanket swearing at all 68 million of us is a dick move.

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        12 hours ago

        Are you the UK? No, you’re someone who lives there. The UK is a state.

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        14 hours ago

        “brevity is the soul of wit”

        ~Shakespeare

        “Um actually, wit is actually a subjective phenomenon, with everyone having a different idea of what it actually means. How could such a construct actually possess a ‘soul’? And that’s not even getting started on the assertion that souls actually exist in any real way”.

        ~Obinice