• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.

    But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.

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      14 hours ago

      I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.

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        For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.

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      I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

      I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

      Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.

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        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.

        Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.

        when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

        That’s pure cope.

        Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.

        He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.

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          To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.

          However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.

          The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.

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        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.

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          You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.

          US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.

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          Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)

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            I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself

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      I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.

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      Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.

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      So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

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        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.

        Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.

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          If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.

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            Unless the democracy has systemic flaws that allow it to be captured by minority rule, and that minority voting block disenfranchises enough of the opposition to take all power from the majority.

            This wasn’t a democracy in anything more than name before the election.

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          As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.

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        Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.

        And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.

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          Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.

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            An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.

            An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).

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              Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.

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                not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous

                It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.

                Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.

                Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.

                You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.

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                  No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.

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        I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.

        Thanks for asking.

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          Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.

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        You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.

        Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.

        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.

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          its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.

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            Its like climate change.

            Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that’s effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.

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      “How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”