NEW YORK—The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.
I decided I’d rather die than vote for genocide.
Looks like I’ll get my wish. I’m fine with that.
You say as the genocide in Gaza is being aided and abetted by Trump in a way it would never have been even by the Democrats.
You guys are so happy to throw Palestinians under the bus for your black and white worldview
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WTF are you talking about, “brainwashed?” You’re literally proving his point. The slope of the line was decreasing before the election, and then started increasing after.
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Democrats were fully willing to help Israel annex Gaza and ethnically cleanse the strip, despite the rhetoric. They’d have done it a different way (maybe) but the end result is the same.
But with Trump, those same Democrats have been forced to come out against it! Partisanship is making long-time Israel supporters rethink their support for the genocide, and now they’re speaking up.
But don’t be fooled - this is only partisanship. The genocide was bipartisan before Trump, but he has a way of actually sharpening the contradictions and forcing liberals to stand for something.
I’ll still vote for Democrats that come out against the genocide, but that’s my red line.
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Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.
July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html
“two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward”
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”
September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial
“we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.””
October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480
““It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve,” said Harris.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Actions are louder than words. Biden provided weapons, and coordinated the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. So did Trump. There is no meaningful difference in their policies.
Biden did NOT coordinate the genocide, that was done entirely by Israel.
Anyone who believes this simply does not understand the relationship between the United States and Israel.
Israel is the single biggest recipient of US aid: https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Biden continuously approved weapons shipments to Israel during the course of the genocide: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-arms-gaza-ebe971ca8878ff430ce6458c04151585
Israel is what is known as a “Major non-NATO ally”, this includes countries like Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally
Israel receives access to raw USA intelligence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
The USA admits that Israel targets civilians in the NSM-20 report that it is required to perform on countries the USA supplies weapons too: https://www.justsecurity.org/95584/nsm-20-report-israel-us/
The USA is joined at the hip with Israel, economically, militarily, and politically. It is unfair to categorize Israel as anything BUT a territory of the United States. The political form of Israel as a “independent state” is just a way for the USA to absolve itself of the crimes of Israel.
It is insult to the collective intelligence of the world to deny the direct link between Israel’s genocidal project and the United States materiel support for it. Why does the USA cover for Israel’s crimes in the UN? Why does the USA refuse to stop selling arms to Israel? Why does the USA state department lie about Israels obviously genocidal intent in Gaza?
These questions may seem difficult but the answer is obvious. The USA and Israel are coordinating the genocide of Palestinians through an elaborate dance of seemingly being “opposed” to each other at times while in actuality operating in lockstep.
Biden did NOT approve weapons for use in the genocide. You can see the repeated statements of fact on that.
Biden approved weapons for the legitimate defense of Israel, which Israel then misappropriated and misdirected for use in Gaza. The blame for the Gazan genocide lies solely on Israel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvne94v1rdo
"The president has made clear Israel has a right to defend its citizens, consistent with international law and international humanitarian law, and to deter aggression from Iran and its proxy organisations.
“We will continue to provide the capabilities necessary for Israel’s defence.”
At no point did any US agency approve, authorize, or coordinate the genocide. At all. That’s a lie perpetuated by anti-US interests intent on blaming the US for everything bad that happens in the world.
This is just a denial of reality. Israel used Biden’s bombs to bomb Palestinians. That is a fact.
The USA and Israel intelligence apparatus is linked at the hip. We share raw-intelligence data with them without vetting it first. Did you know that the USA had troops in Israel to operate the THAAD missile defense system? Did you know that Biden’s so called “Humanitarian Aid Pier” was actually a staging ground for use in the Nuseirat Hostage Raid?
I think the link between the USA and Israeli intelligence community is kind of the nail in the coffin for any denial of coordination.
AT BEST the USA has direct knowledge that Israel is performing a genocide in Gaza, and the response is… send them more weapons? If there is NO coordination (which I find impossible to believe), then essentially, the USA has (and had) full knowledge a genocide is taking place, while funding and arming it. I don’t see how that is any better than coordinating directly.
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I get it, .ml accounts, US bad. Get a new shtick, yours is old and busted.
Yeah, because you cowards defederated from hexbear and lenmygrad. 🙄
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What ISRAEL has done, not Biden.
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Democrats wouldn’t be speaking out against Israel under Harris. They’d be goose-stepping along with the administration no matter how many children Israel killed because the genocide was bipartisan before Trump.
Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.
July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html
“two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward”
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”
September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial
“we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.””
October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480
““It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve,” said Harris.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
The two State solution has always been a canard deployed by genocidiers to delay peace and prolong conflict. Israel doesn’t get to have an apartheid ethnostate on stolen land, even if Palestinians get a bantustan or two.
There is only a one state solution: a multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy from the river to the sea.
A multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy would be a bloodbath. The Israelis simply will not allow it.
See the results of the various illegal settlements:
https://theconversation.com/the-quiet-war-whats-fueling-israels-surge-of-settler-violence-and-the-lack-of-state-response-261990
“United Nations estimates indicate that Jewish settlers have carried out around 2,000 attacks against Palestinians since the war in Gaza began. That number represents a dramatic surge compared with any previous period during the nearly six decades Israel has controlled the West Bank.”
It would be great if everyone could live together in peace and harmony, we can’t. We are hard-wired to see things in “us” vs. “them”.
We are not hardwired to be racist colonizers, they were programmed to be this way by decades of racist and fascist propaganda.
The fact that Israelis are racist colonizers doesn’t give them the right to steal the land.
I’m not hearing a reason Israel should be allowed to exist.
Again, showing you’re totally OK with genocide so long as it’s a people you don’t personally like. Got it.
Israel was created as a Jewish homeland because the world decided they were owed it after an organized and dedicated extermination campaign.
Yes, it was wrong to just displace the Palestinians, but it was not wrong to give Jews a homeland after centuries of European discrimination and blood libel, culminating in the Holocaust.
p.s. We are absolutely programmed to be racist.
https://www.dw.com/en/kids-arent-born-racist-but-they-do-perceive-race-early/a-68674280
"A landmark study in 2005, for instance, showed that babies perceived differences in race and exhibited preferences for their own race as early as at 3 months of age.
In a 2017 study, children associated adults of their own race with happy music, and adults of a different one with sad music — when the kids were aged just 6 to 9 months old.
While children showed a “weak racial bias” at 7 years old, by the age of 10, their bias had become “strong and reliable” in a 2014 study. White children in that study thought that Black children of the same age would feel less pain than them if they bumped their heads or bit their own tongues."
This kind of false equivalence is a form of genocide denial.
Israelis being Nazis mean they get treated like Nazi Germany.
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That’s on ISRAEL, not Biden or the Democrats.
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Who gave Israel the weapons?
Israel is, depending on who you ask, between the 8th and 10th largest arms dealer in the world.
#8
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/
#9
https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-03/fs_2403_at_2023.pdf
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/
They also don’t need our bombs to kill kids and people at aid stations, sniper bullets are cheap.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2608684/middle-east
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/twilight-zone/2024-06-14/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/in-a-single-hour-israeli-snipers-killed-seven-bystanders-at-the-jenin-refugee-camp/00000190-16fe-d231-a1b2-f6ff7d4e0000
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/22/1221362655/a-gaza-patriarchate-says-israeli-troops-killed-2-women-and-injured-7-others-at-p
Yeah, and the US is #1 with 43% of all arms sales.
Israel could not arm itself without the US. If they were forced to rely on domestic production they’d run out of bombs, and they have admitted this.
Israel is the USs dog and Biden could stop them whenever he wanted. He didn’t because he was an active collaborator in their genocide.
All that did was enable more genocide. Congratulations, all the shit ICE is doing is your fault.
Dude, didn’t you see their instance? They’re a tankie. They were never ‘refusing to vote for genocide’. They were always holding their vote in the hope that the evil US would destroy itself so Generous China and Glorious Mother Russia could take their place as the true and noble world leaders.
Just ignore them.
Sometimes I can’t help myself. There really needs to be a way to block an instance rather than just individual users.
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ICE wasn’t invented by Trump. If you look at the actual numbers he’s basically just keeping up with Obama’s deportations.
He’s just ripped the mask off, so people realize what ICE always was. We told you about ICE before and you didn’t care, and now you do. Trump makes you see what was always right in front of you.
Now. Are you going to do anything about it?
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Posting the same image more than once doesn’t make it any less idiotic.
The image isn’t idiotic; it just isn’t making the point he thinks it is. Look at the slope of the line, not the area under the curve.
I meant the fact that it disproves his point, but fair enough. I’m getting worked up and should step away for a bit.
A reasonable slip of the keyboard, in the heat of the moment.
Anyway, for posterity here’s the chart being referenced, since the guy posting it got banned and his comment removed:
chart
I think it’s actually a pretty useful chart to keep around for the information it’s actually conveying (as opposed to how the banned commenter was trying to misrepresent it) Glad I copied it from his other comment when I had the chance, LOL.
Just an explanation for anyone else, Biden started his term with a higher rate of deaths (steeper slope) and finished with a lower right (shallower slope) thanks for showing the removed graph!
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How is Trump meaningfully different on immigration then Harris? ICE existed before Trump.
I’m having trouble believing this is an honest question.
They weren’t deporting American children with cancer or using torture prisons in El Salvador for starters.
Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay? Abu Ghraib? Biden deported more people then Trump. Extrajudicial punishment, torture and punitive and cruel immigration policy is bipartisan in the USA.
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The genocide is bipartisan.
Also… do you think you’re innocent? That you’re absolved of this country’s crimes?
Do you think that all you need to do is vote for a Democrat and you can wash your hands?
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Being suicidal doesn’t entitle you to take the rest us down with you! You’ve clutched your pearls so hard that you’ve managed to bloody your hands anyway.
Quit being unethical in the name of ethics.
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What about all the people around you that aren’t ok with that?
You’re not really sticking to the very basics of communism: community.
We’re all complicit.
Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.