I’ll take any excuse I can get to dump my perspective here. I love AV1 for video and I hate AVIF with a passion. Every video that I create is delivered in AV1, because it is incredibly useful, versatile and extremely powerful. Right tool for the right job.
Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with AVIF other than it tries to force a video codec into something that is that it is not meant for, namely a still image codec. I hate the drama around it that Google has created. Because the stupid cunt that created AVIF is an emotional slime, he tried to block JPGXL, a competitor for AVIF, from having official support in the Google Chrome browser. And because Google Chrome is a monopoly in the browser market, CDNs and other people who’d like to use JPGXL, since it has significantly better all around features for still images, cannot use it now.
Features of JPEG-XL:
better still image compression than AVIF
lossless JPEG transcoding
progressive image loading
universally usable from capture to delivery
layer support with 4,099 channels
CMYK Compatible
32 bits per channel
no limitations on image size or colour precision
And all of that is thrown away because one bastard has his feelings hurt by user choice.
Thank you for listening to my useless TED Talk.
Edit: While I sound extremely black-pilled about this, because monopolies are bad, the positive thing is that it’s gaining traction, finally. Apple has fully embraced it some time ago. Now Microsoft Windows supports it natively as well. Literally the only missing piece is the browser. While Safari, thanks to Apple, - never thought I’d say that - now supports JPEG XL natively, Firefox and Google Chrome do not as of right now. So the browser is literally the last missing link for full native support. Also, I’d wish for the people at Mozilla to stop letting themselves be cucked by Google. But JPEG XL is around the corner, luckily, because sooner or later they will be forced to use the modern format to stay competitive, like Samsung already does for their phone cameras. Still salty about the attempt, though.
ldk, avif looks really good at the really high compression ratios. My problem with it is that usually it includes lots of details, except those details weren’t the actual details of the original image. It just kinda hallucinates them
Also ofc the unlimited layers, great lossless mode, and high color depth etc would still make jxl a better universal choice, but avif just looks better at the ultra low end
Thank you for your TED Talk. I had no idea about the creator of AVIF or anything, BUT, I still really like that I can just use the same knowledge when it comes to transcoding jpegs/whatever to it. It uses the same codec, same parameters, supports animations, is like 1/100th the size of gifs…
I guess webp can do that latter part as well, but having a single tool able to do these things is neat in my opinion. (Please don’t come at me, systemd haters)
I think jxl also supports waaaaay higher resolutions and everything. So yeah, fair argument that I’m not, in any way, against.
Compression and accessibility are just really fascinating things to me, and I’m sure once the next huge, well-supported thing, comes around, so will I.
Yes, and I agree with you. People should have choice of what format they use because different people have different needs.
I don’t hate AVIF inherently for its technology. I hate it for what it stands for. Namely, megacorporation Culture. One rogue manager has their feelings hurt and everyone bends over to accommodate them. Google has a fully SIMDified Rust decoder for JPEG XL that is fully standard compliant. But it doesn’t go into Chrome, because everyone just parrots the one guy that once made up some lie about it not “having public interest”. Best example is Google Interop 2025 not taking in JPEG XL. Literally every graphics software on the planet supports it, as well as multiple newspapers and CDNs want to use it, and I don’t mean the newspaper next door, I mean newspapers like The Guardian and CDNs like cloudflare. You can call Apple a lot, but the jpeg-xl implementation is some objective good for computing, Microsoft is slowly but surely rolling out support in Windows as well. Literally the only missing link in the chain is the Google Chrome browser, because it’s a monopoly.
And with that, I refuse to use it. Because if I were to use it and pump the numbers for AVIF, I would reinforce the blockade. Therefore I just can’t, even though the technology is very useful and that’s just another side of the Google Monopoly.
I’ll take any excuse I can get to dump my perspective here. I love AV1 for video and I hate AVIF with a passion. Every video that I create is delivered in AV1, because it is incredibly useful, versatile and extremely powerful. Right tool for the right job.
Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with AVIF other than it tries to force a video codec into something that is that it is not meant for, namely a still image codec. I hate the drama around it that Google has created. Because the stupid cunt that created AVIF is an emotional slime, he tried to block JPGXL, a competitor for AVIF, from having official support in the Google Chrome browser. And because Google Chrome is a monopoly in the browser market, CDNs and other people who’d like to use JPGXL, since it has significantly better all around features for still images, cannot use it now.
Features of JPEG-XL:
And all of that is thrown away because one bastard has his feelings hurt by user choice.
Thank you for listening to my useless TED Talk.
Edit: While I sound extremely black-pilled about this, because monopolies are bad, the positive thing is that it’s gaining traction, finally. Apple has fully embraced it some time ago. Now Microsoft Windows supports it natively as well. Literally the only missing piece is the browser. While Safari, thanks to Apple, - never thought I’d say that - now supports JPEG XL natively, Firefox and Google Chrome do not as of right now. So the browser is literally the last missing link for full native support. Also, I’d wish for the people at Mozilla to stop letting themselves be cucked by Google. But JPEG XL is around the corner, luckily, because sooner or later they will be forced to use the modern format to stay competitive, like Samsung already does for their phone cameras. Still salty about the attempt, though.
ldk, avif looks really good at the really high compression ratios. My problem with it is that usually it includes lots of details, except those details weren’t the actual details of the original image. It just kinda hallucinates them
Also ofc the unlimited layers, great lossless mode, and high color depth etc would still make jxl a better universal choice, but avif just looks better at the ultra low end
Thank you for your TED Talk. I had no idea about the creator of AVIF or anything, BUT, I still really like that I can just use the same knowledge when it comes to transcoding jpegs/whatever to it. It uses the same codec, same parameters, supports animations, is like 1/100th the size of gifs…
I guess webp can do that latter part as well, but having a single tool able to do these things is neat in my opinion. (Please don’t come at me, systemd haters)
I think jxl also supports waaaaay higher resolutions and everything. So yeah, fair argument that I’m not, in any way, against.
Compression and accessibility are just really fascinating things to me, and I’m sure once the next huge, well-supported thing, comes around, so will I.
Yes, and I agree with you. People should have choice of what format they use because different people have different needs.
I don’t hate AVIF inherently for its technology. I hate it for what it stands for. Namely, megacorporation Culture. One rogue manager has their feelings hurt and everyone bends over to accommodate them. Google has a fully SIMDified Rust decoder for JPEG XL that is fully standard compliant. But it doesn’t go into Chrome, because everyone just parrots the one guy that once made up some lie about it not “having public interest”. Best example is Google Interop 2025 not taking in JPEG XL. Literally every graphics software on the planet supports it, as well as multiple newspapers and CDNs want to use it, and I don’t mean the newspaper next door, I mean newspapers like The Guardian and CDNs like cloudflare. You can call Apple a lot, but the jpeg-xl implementation is some objective good for computing, Microsoft is slowly but surely rolling out support in Windows as well. Literally the only missing link in the chain is the Google Chrome browser, because it’s a monopoly.
And with that, I refuse to use it. Because if I were to use it and pump the numbers for AVIF, I would reinforce the blockade. Therefore I just can’t, even though the technology is very useful and that’s just another side of the Google Monopoly.
I converted most of my images to .jxl. It’s been pretty nice.