• Veedem@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Having a conversation about immigration isn’t a bad thing. Going in to that conversation looking to shove your view points down the others side throat IS a bad thing.

    The reality is that we need immigrants to fill a ton of holes in our workforce but we also need to fix the system to allow legal immigration to be an easier process and to try to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

    I don’t have the answers, but I know the problems exist and there are much smarter people who could help get ideas moving if the ideologues would get out of the way.

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      Yeah, most people against illegal immigration have no idea how arduous and expensive the process actually is. It’s not as simple as going to the border and saying, “One greencard please.”

      I’m against illegal immigration, but the solution I’d like to see is a more streamlined process so people wouldn’t need to pay coyotes to smuggle them across with no guarantee they’d even survive the trip.

      If they want to come be productive members of society, why stop them?

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        Because America, by large, has been built upon immigrants coming over and shutting the door behind them so others can’t get their success.

        We’ve done it as English colonists, we’ve done it during the Industrial Revolution, we’ve done it in the early 1900s, and we’re doing it now. It’s sadly a trend that we, as a country, never grew out of.

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      7 months ago

      I’m not american, but isn’t calling yourself not progressive kinda… Shit? Why would you ever say that you don’t like progress?

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        He didn’t say that. He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.

        Whoever wrote the article is trying to speak on behalf of an entire political group called “Progressives” by claiming everyone in the group came to a unanimous decision to not discuss immigration (this isn’t true).

        So the writer of the article is claiming Fetterman isn’t a part of the group of Progressives because Fetterman is willing to do his job by being diplomatic.

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          He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.

          “Let’s hear the literal fascists who compare even legal immigrants to vermin and invading armies out. I’m sure they’ll be willing to reach a reasonable compromise” 🙄

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              Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?

              Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite “if we give an inch, we’re traitors” issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn’t having a temper tantrum. It’s being realistic.

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                  I don’t think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.

                  I wouldn’t brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.

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        Progressive is often used as a blanket term that basically means that you are farther left than the Democratic party. Not that he doesn’t like progress, just that he is not pursuing the end of capitalism or something in that direction if even slightly.

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    7 months ago

    Being a shill for the Israeli apartheid regime is the LEAST “maverick” thing you can possibly do in American politics.

    To break with the left to join everyone else in enabling genocide isn’t a brave and principled stand. It’s ignorance at best, but more likely morally bankrupt cowardice.

    Go home NBC, you’re drunk on neoliberal gaslighting. Again.