I’m broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn’t evidence. Like, okay, you’re an ml user, so you’re going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument.
Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself.
See how you don’t have a rocket, so you can’t go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn’t have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you’ll understand my rebuttal.
I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you’re attributing to me. I’ve got no dog in the fight you’re having with an imaginary version of me
but the claim “saturn has air on it” is like “there’s genocide in xinjiang”. you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them.
btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming.
Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as “vocational education and training centers”, in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II.
I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it’s actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they’re contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren’t something they were responsible for, I’d say it’d be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn’t really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them.
China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang.
Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn’t exist I guess.
just checked your sources and it’s cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean.
one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise.
btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years?
Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren’t going well financially and they’re frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China’s government, I’d apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn’t lock them up and make them do labour, that’s America’s thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2.
well, you’ll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population.
the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground.
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You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists.
What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? “I’m broke, therefore there’s a genocide in Xinjiang?”
I’m broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn’t evidence. Like, okay, you’re an ml user, so you’re going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument.
Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself.
See how you don’t have a rocket, so you can’t go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn’t have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you’ll understand my rebuttal.
The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid?
I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you’re attributing to me. I’ve got no dog in the fight you’re having with an imaginary version of me
In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that)
but the claim “saturn has air on it” is like “there’s genocide in xinjiang”. you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them.
btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it’s actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they’re contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren’t something they were responsible for, I’d say it’d be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn’t really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them.
Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn’t exist I guess.
Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄
Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
just checked your sources and it’s cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean.
one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise.
btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years?
Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren’t going well financially and they’re frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China’s government, I’d apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn’t lock them up and make them do labour, that’s America’s thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2.
well, you’ll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population.
the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground.
Hm, putting people in camps isn’t in the list of things you said. You’re saying they didn’t put people in camps?
Who armed the mujahideen