Coffee isn’t supposed to be served hot enough to give third degree burns causing hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills. That’s actually illegal. When the health department gives several warnings and a senior corporate executive orders employees to disobey the law, that makes judges very, very grumpy. Lawsuits are a stupid system, but they literally the only system we have for legally fighting back against corporations. There is nothing else you can do if they wrong you. Spreading the idea that you shouldn’t sue is only taking away your only method of defending yourself within the law. You are being a corporate shill right now.
If I spill a pot of boiling water onto my crotch while making Mac & Cheese I’d suffer the same injuries it’s not the Kraft corporation’s fault. Making coffee involves boiling water and McDonald’s is not actually able to change chemistry and make water boil at a higher temperature in their restaurants.
You can easily just make a cup of instant coffee according to the directions and use a thermometer to verify the whether the temperatures cited in the lawsuit are “too hot”. They actually were lower than the temperature of coffee people commonly make at home. Sorry, you got played by personal injury lawfirms and internet meme culture.
You have to boil water to make coffee. You don’t have to serve it still boiling. That is, again, actually against the law to do the way they did it. They were already in trouble for it before they gave that lady third degree burns. They had to go out of their way to set their warmer to boiling, because it’s McDonald’s. They don’t actually make every cup of coffee custom for you. It just comes out of warmer that they get to set the temperature of, and setting that to be too hot to drink would be stupid even if it didn’t burn the crap out of the coffee and leave it tasting like charcoal. They had to knowingly and intentionally break the law to serve coffee that hot. You just got played by your corporate overlords trying to pretend they’re the victims.
Another reply linked to an article (by a personal injury lawfirm, naturally) and the temperature cited was 185F. I drink coffee that’s hotter than that every morning. Note that I take my coffee with lots of cream and sugar. It’s above 185F after adding cream and sugar. I drink it when it’s that temperature.
When people say “coffee is supposed to be hot” you may be assuming that it’s out of ignorance of something you saw on the internet. But it’s not exactly difficult to dip the meat thermometer by my stove into a cup of coffee. It’s possible you may be the one being ignorant of the facts because you’re trusting articles from biased sources without any verification… which is very easy for anyone to do. Yup, coffee is hot.
I interact with boiling water everyday. It’s dangerous and I know to be careful. Coffee, while not as hot as boiling water, is still dangerous enough to burn me (>185F) if I dump a full cup of it on my crotch. So I try not to do that. It’s actually not that hard, I do it every morning when half asleep.
Oh goodie, so now we’ve reached the point where you’re trying to flood the argument with so much meaningless gibberish that you hope it’ll fool someone into thinking that you’re making point somewhere in that mess. I don’t care that you have creamer in your coffee, dude. I don’t really even care that you think a meat thermometer can accurately measure the temperature of liquids. Sure, you can take a tiny sip of 185° coffee. Whatever.
The facts of the matter are that 185° is hotter than any other chain serves their coffee, they received multiple health code violations for it, serving it at even slightly lower temperatures dramatically reduces the possibility of getting severe burns, McDonald’s knew all this, lied about why they were doing it, ordered their employees to keep getting health code violations anyway, settled with other people out of court before this case for upwards of $500,000 because it was such a small expense for them, only offered this lady $800 for some bizarre reason, the judge actually reduced the settlement to $640,000 before it was actually paid out, and she ended up spending all that money on a live in nurse because she was in so much pain and barely capable of walking for the rest of her life. We do not base our regulations on the assumption that no one will spill any coffee ever. That is an insane thing to assume.
Have fun giving up your only defense against corporate negligence though. I’m sure that could never possibly backfire.
Coffee isn’t supposed to be served hot enough to give third degree burns causing hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills. That’s actually illegal. When the health department gives several warnings and a senior corporate executive orders employees to disobey the law, that makes judges very, very grumpy. Lawsuits are a stupid system, but they literally the only system we have for legally fighting back against corporations. There is nothing else you can do if they wrong you. Spreading the idea that you shouldn’t sue is only taking away your only method of defending yourself within the law. You are being a corporate shill right now.
If I spill a pot of boiling water onto my crotch while making Mac & Cheese I’d suffer the same injuries it’s not the Kraft corporation’s fault. Making coffee involves boiling water and McDonald’s is not actually able to change chemistry and make water boil at a higher temperature in their restaurants.
You can easily just make a cup of instant coffee according to the directions and use a thermometer to verify the whether the temperatures cited in the lawsuit are “too hot”. They actually were lower than the temperature of coffee people commonly make at home. Sorry, you got played by personal injury lawfirms and internet meme culture.
You have to boil water to make coffee. You don’t have to serve it still boiling. That is, again, actually against the law to do the way they did it. They were already in trouble for it before they gave that lady third degree burns. They had to go out of their way to set their warmer to boiling, because it’s McDonald’s. They don’t actually make every cup of coffee custom for you. It just comes out of warmer that they get to set the temperature of, and setting that to be too hot to drink would be stupid even if it didn’t burn the crap out of the coffee and leave it tasting like charcoal. They had to knowingly and intentionally break the law to serve coffee that hot. You just got played by your corporate overlords trying to pretend they’re the victims.
Another reply linked to an article (by a personal injury lawfirm, naturally) and the temperature cited was 185F. I drink coffee that’s hotter than that every morning. Note that I take my coffee with lots of cream and sugar. It’s above 185F after adding cream and sugar. I drink it when it’s that temperature.
When people say “coffee is supposed to be hot” you may be assuming that it’s out of ignorance of something you saw on the internet. But it’s not exactly difficult to dip the meat thermometer by my stove into a cup of coffee. It’s possible you may be the one being ignorant of the facts because you’re trusting articles from biased sources without any verification… which is very easy for anyone to do. Yup, coffee is hot.
I interact with boiling water everyday. It’s dangerous and I know to be careful. Coffee, while not as hot as boiling water, is still dangerous enough to burn me (>185F) if I dump a full cup of it on my crotch. So I try not to do that. It’s actually not that hard, I do it every morning when half asleep.
Oh goodie, so now we’ve reached the point where you’re trying to flood the argument with so much meaningless gibberish that you hope it’ll fool someone into thinking that you’re making point somewhere in that mess. I don’t care that you have creamer in your coffee, dude. I don’t really even care that you think a meat thermometer can accurately measure the temperature of liquids. Sure, you can take a tiny sip of 185° coffee. Whatever.
The facts of the matter are that 185° is hotter than any other chain serves their coffee, they received multiple health code violations for it, serving it at even slightly lower temperatures dramatically reduces the possibility of getting severe burns, McDonald’s knew all this, lied about why they were doing it, ordered their employees to keep getting health code violations anyway, settled with other people out of court before this case for upwards of $500,000 because it was such a small expense for them, only offered this lady $800 for some bizarre reason, the judge actually reduced the settlement to $640,000 before it was actually paid out, and she ended up spending all that money on a live in nurse because she was in so much pain and barely capable of walking for the rest of her life. We do not base our regulations on the assumption that no one will spill any coffee ever. That is an insane thing to assume.
Have fun giving up your only defense against corporate negligence though. I’m sure that could never possibly backfire.