My states largest district is an online charter school/massive embezzling scheme. Self paced online classes, with a teacher that may/may not ever meet the student. I work with a client who just graduated from there.
They had no idea how to solve a one step algebra equation until today. Today we struggled through such exercises as “2x+4=8.”
I briefly worked for that school and had a high school student who had no idea what Christianity was. Really, the concept of religion in general was entirely new to him.
It feels deliberate. The in person/actual schools also suffer - students passed from class to class without knowing how to read or work with fractions, because it’s not even really necessary to have a bachelors degree to teach anymore. I guess it’s the kind of population that will grow up to vote R, to fall for whatever stupid shit the rich use to stay in power.
My only real hope is that the pendulum will swing back eventually. I at least hope that I will be able to personally take advantage when the need is recognized again, that at some point someone who can teach a high schooler logarithms is considered a valuable member of society worth paying a living wage.
As the article pointed out, the top 10% of students aren’t seeing major drops, it is mainly in the bottom marginal students who need more institutional help to get a better education.
If we’re deporting all these immigrants, the country is going to need a new underclass.
If anything, people are starting to wake up to what a waste of time and effort school is for the vast majority of students that are forced to attend.
For a generation, it had a major impact on earnings for Americans. Even with the expense of college, there was a major differential in earnings between college and skilled trades.
Even now, the current education system doesn’t push people into skilled trades. It just lets them fail.
But hey, it makes you feel good so I guess that counts for something.
Why would this make me feel good? Identifying something happening doesn’t bring me joy.
I’m referring to forcing students to attend school even though the majority of them will end up in service jobs that don’t require the education they received.
For most of them, it is a waste of time. But you think they should still be forced to go because it makes you feel good.
There are a lot of skilled labor and some professions dealing with a massive labor shortage currently. Having an education system designed which could funnel kids into these fields would be very beneficial for them and society at large.
But we aren’t.
And we aren’t forcing them to study harder. We are letting them fail and we have the metrics to show how we are letting them fail. Does that make you feel better that we are letting people fail? That seems to be what you’re advocating for.
Does that make you feel better that we are letting people fail? That seems to be what you’re advocating for.
Probably because you can’t read, or you’re incapable of admitting you might have some wrong ideas. I’d wager it’s the latter.
These people aren’t “failing” because they don’t do well in school, just like people aren’t “succeeding” if they do well in school. We’re telling students that they’re failing or succeeding, but that’s all.
What you’re advocating for is a system where we destroy the self-esteem of most students by telling them they’re failures because they’re not cut out for academia. We’re not living in a Disney fairytale where everyone is “supposed” to go to college, or whatever metric for “success” you have in your head that’s dependent on academics.
You don’t seem like someone who has much world experience, so I suggest you get out there and see ways of life different from your own. You’ll find that many people who you thought were “failures” because they did poorly in school are actually quite successful and happy. Meanwhile, I’m sure you personally know many college graduates who are downright miserable. But hey, they “succeeded,” right?
What you’re advocating for is a system where we destroy the self-esteem of most students by telling them they’re failures because they’re not cut out for academia.
I’m not. It was a common occurrence in my time in college; my college had a 20% failure rate when I went there. Previous generations saw a failure rate closer to 33%. If anything, the fault rate has gone down since I’ve earned my degree.
Even then, it was generally accepted by those in college that those who flunked out weren’t bad people, they were just not ready for college at that point in their lives. I’ve got several friends who dropped out of college but built decent careers that didn’t need a college degree but was still skilled labor. With that, they still did well in high school and could transfer that body of knowledge to their current careers.
I never said that a college degree was a requirement for success, but that a dramatic loss in high school aptitude was concerning.
You don’t seem like someone who has much world experience, so I suggest you get out there and see ways of life different from your own.
Is that you reading through my comment history and trying to understand my life, or you over personalizing my reaction to a topic that is a sore spot for you and you dumping your trauma on my comment? Because, in my world experience, people who describe the world in the manner that you are trying to do are trying to make their experience the default experience when it may not be.
My states largest district is an online charter school/massive embezzling scheme. Self paced online classes, with a teacher that may/may not ever meet the student. I work with a client who just graduated from there.
They had no idea how to solve a one step algebra equation until today. Today we struggled through such exercises as “2x+4=8.”
I briefly worked for that school and had a high school student who had no idea what Christianity was. Really, the concept of religion in general was entirely new to him.
It feels deliberate. The in person/actual schools also suffer - students passed from class to class without knowing how to read or work with fractions, because it’s not even really necessary to have a bachelors degree to teach anymore. I guess it’s the kind of population that will grow up to vote R, to fall for whatever stupid shit the rich use to stay in power.
My only real hope is that the pendulum will swing back eventually. I at least hope that I will be able to personally take advantage when the need is recognized again, that at some point someone who can teach a high schooler logarithms is considered a valuable member of society worth paying a living wage.
It is deliberate.
As the article pointed out, the top 10% of students aren’t seeing major drops, it is mainly in the bottom marginal students who need more institutional help to get a better education.
If we’re deporting all these immigrants, the country is going to need a new underclass.
Which is the old underclass? If you notice, most students ended up in service jobs anyways.
If anything, people are starting to wake up to what a waste of time and effort school is for the vast majority of students that are forced to attend.
But hey, it makes you feel good so I guess that counts for something.
For a generation, it had a major impact on earnings for Americans. Even with the expense of college, there was a major differential in earnings between college and skilled trades.
Even now, the current education system doesn’t push people into skilled trades. It just lets them fail.
Why would this make me feel good? Identifying something happening doesn’t bring me joy.
I’m referring to forcing students to attend school even though the majority of them will end up in service jobs that don’t require the education they received.
For most of them, it is a waste of time. But you think they should still be forced to go because it makes you feel good.
There are a lot of skilled labor and some professions dealing with a massive labor shortage currently. Having an education system designed which could funnel kids into these fields would be very beneficial for them and society at large.
But we aren’t.
And we aren’t forcing them to study harder. We are letting them fail and we have the metrics to show how we are letting them fail. Does that make you feel better that we are letting people fail? That seems to be what you’re advocating for.
Probably because you can’t read, or you’re incapable of admitting you might have some wrong ideas. I’d wager it’s the latter.
These people aren’t “failing” because they don’t do well in school, just like people aren’t “succeeding” if they do well in school. We’re telling students that they’re failing or succeeding, but that’s all.
What you’re advocating for is a system where we destroy the self-esteem of most students by telling them they’re failures because they’re not cut out for academia. We’re not living in a Disney fairytale where everyone is “supposed” to go to college, or whatever metric for “success” you have in your head that’s dependent on academics.
You don’t seem like someone who has much world experience, so I suggest you get out there and see ways of life different from your own. You’ll find that many people who you thought were “failures” because they did poorly in school are actually quite successful and happy. Meanwhile, I’m sure you personally know many college graduates who are downright miserable. But hey, they “succeeded,” right?
I’m not. It was a common occurrence in my time in college; my college had a 20% failure rate when I went there. Previous generations saw a failure rate closer to 33%. If anything, the fault rate has gone down since I’ve earned my degree.
Even then, it was generally accepted by those in college that those who flunked out weren’t bad people, they were just not ready for college at that point in their lives. I’ve got several friends who dropped out of college but built decent careers that didn’t need a college degree but was still skilled labor. With that, they still did well in high school and could transfer that body of knowledge to their current careers.
I never said that a college degree was a requirement for success, but that a dramatic loss in high school aptitude was concerning.
Is that you reading through my comment history and trying to understand my life, or you over personalizing my reaction to a topic that is a sore spot for you and you dumping your trauma on my comment? Because, in my world experience, people who describe the world in the manner that you are trying to do are trying to make their experience the default experience when it may not be.
Your trauma may not be the default in life.
guess the previous gen is the real winner before braindead phones and AI fucked it all up