• Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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    1 day ago

    How is China fascist? It hasn’t participated in a war in 40 years, it lifted 800mn people from poverty, has strong public healthcare, education and retirement, and routinely cancels sovereign debt from global-south countries. I went to China last year and people there are pretty happy and hopeful for the future compared to our bleak outlook here in the west.

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      24 hours ago

      God, I love triggering Tankies.

      This China?

      I suspect the people benefiting from the rise of fascism in the States seem pretty happy too.

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        23 hours ago

        Westerners hate China and hate Muslims, but for some reason care so much about Chinese Muslims. Notice how even the Wikipedia article title got changed from “Genocide” to “Persecution”, I wonder why that is.

        You, as a westerner of a country actively supporting actual genocide in Palestine, the one you can actually go online TODAY and watch videos of how many kids got bombed yesterday, are criticising the Chinese government for a harsh reeducation campaign in a province that hosted radical Islamist groups carrying out terror attacks in China which killed hundreds of people. Your fucking homeland of Canada (assuming from your instance) has all but eliminated the native populations of the region, and you have the courage of crying “TaNkIe” because I think that a country that uplifted 1/10th the world population from poverty in 30 years is admirable in that regard.

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          22 hours ago

          Ah yes, build a strawman “westerner,” surely that’ll help you. I wasn’t praising Canada’s practices, but whatever helps you project, I guess. My favorite part of your entire neurotic rant, honestly, is that you defend genocide by pointing to a worse genicide, like somehow that makes every insane, disgusting, and anti-humanitarian thing China had done totally fine, because, “but the West is worse!”

          You can think whatever you want, but my suspicion is that you’re either lying or terribly misled. And yes, probably a tankie, but there’s room for error there.

          “Say what you want about Hitler, but he pulled Germany out of poverty!”

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            22 hours ago

            Hitler famously didn’t pull Germany out of poverty, that’s just Nazi propaganda. He literally starved his people to buy weapons for genocide. Fascists famously don’t improve the living conditions of the working class, that’s what communists do, unsurprisingly.

            You also didn’t mention anything about the policy of China itself, you just generally pointed to a Wikipedia article fully based on western news outlets (I wonder what motives western capitalist outlets would have to lie about socialist China?) and speak of anti-humanitarian traits.

            And yes, I’m a westerner. I’m a Spaniard communist who yesterday was gluing signs on the streets of Madrid with my org calling for the Student Strike organized for the 2nd of October, and for the mass protest of the 4th of October calling for a general strike to force the government to cut ties with Israel. You’re attacking the wrong enemy here, there’s no “tankie threat” in Europe, the enemies are the far right and I’m on the right side of things. How about you worry about stopping fascism in your own country and system? China doesn’t have a blossoming fascist party.

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              Hitler famously didn’t pull Germany out of poverty, that’s just Nazi propaganda.

              Fucking WOOSH.

              “When they said it, it was propaganda, unlike glorious China!”

              Yes, there are so many historical instances of the wonders of communism pulling countries from poverty. It’s famous for being an uncorruptable ideology where the people are never abused by ill-actors who work from a position of social elite status, unlike the disgusting systems of capitalism in the west. I hope I don’t need the /s here.

              The irony of you telling me I’m attacking the “wrong enemy” is palpable, considering you painted an entire portrait of my ideologies, beliefs and behaviours based on my lemmy instance. It’s almost as ironic as you telling me to mind my business and stick to my own country, when all I said is that fascist China isn’t going to save us from fascist America, while you’re neither Chinese nor American. Of course, when you get involved to stand against the ignorant westerners, it’s virtuous, and when those ignorant westerners speak out against blatant lies and propaganda, they need to mind their own business.

              Fuck off, tankie. I don’t need to waste my day picking apart half truths to discern where the dishonesty lies.