I take the story personally and thats probably unhealthy… Shocking amount of suicide and denial of that suicide in my personal life. Anyway, I couldn’t get that data together specifically the way you wanted. Closest I could gather was a listing of public suicides over a ten year span 2013-2023.On average around 45,000 people commit suicide a year, about 12,000 of that by hanging. Public is where the numbers got more difficult but there is some info out there, I’ll post it below. Numbers below represent a single year based on averages from the 10 year span. So its not common but also nowhere near close to unheard of. I had an AI try to compile specifically hanging public suicides and it said between 10-15% of hanging suicides happen in public. I can include the prompts I used to get you there if you dont trust me. Sources it used were the CDC, National Center for Health Statistics and the National Violent Death Reporting System.
Motor vehicle — 2,363.
Natural area — 1,895.
Street or highway — 1,209.
Hotel or motel — 1,032.
Park/playground/sports/athletic area — 719.
Parking lot / public garage / public transport — 700.
Your second link doesn’t immediately have that data but there is a dynamic form to get some data. I don’t see public suicides in it. Since it’s a dynamic form, a genAI system won’t see the data either but will see people reference the site when making arguments. I’m assuming the genAI is just doing that.
Your last two links are the same report for different years. One says this and it contradicts your numbers:
Among all suicide decedents, the most common location of suicide was a house or apartment (71.3%), followed by a motor vehicle (5.5%), a natural area (4.4%), a street or highway (2.8%), and a hotel or motel (2.3%).
Also, I’m not convinced that these would be even across all modes of suicide so I’m not convinced by the simple math. (ie. Maybe people use guns to kill themselves outside a lot more than at home, or the opposite. I don’t see a great reason to assume they’d be similar rates.)
My numbers were not contradicted. Look at the table on page. 32. If you don’t count jails, group homes, “unknown”, or cars as public places your total is around 18% taking place in public. I recognize that the rates wouldnt likely be even among modes of suicide. But, you’re asking for data thats incredible difficult to specifically find. My original statement is that public suicides are uncommon but not unheard. The data I provided supports that statement. I will absolutely concede that I haven’t been able to link specific modality to public though. If you find data that disproves the below please provide it.
Oh, I simply don’t trust genAI. I sometimes finish a project, then see what genAI has to say. It’s usually pretty misleading. They sometimes give sources though. Any links to those?
"Hanging/Suffocation Suicides: According to CDC WONDER data, hanging and suffocation accounted for approximately 25–26% of all suicide deaths in recent years.
Public Place Suicides: NVDRS data indicates that about 22–25% of all suicides occur in public places.
Estimation: By applying the public place percentage to the hanging/suffocation suicides, we estimate that approximately 10–15% of hanging/suffocation suicides occur in public places."
This says 55.33% of suicides in the US are with a firearm.
I once went digging through death statistics on suicides. In Japan, firearms are hard to get, but there are tall buildings all over. Firearms deaths are down, but deaths by falling are way up.
Yes your source supports my statement that its the second most common form of suicide in the US. New Mexico also happens to be the 5th leading state in number of suicides to population ratio.
I appreciate that. Part of why this particular case is so magnetic for me. It feels like people want to create a divisive conspiracy supported by no evidence. That way they can get some white people bad points. Rather than admit we have a massive mental health crisis happening. Everyone should be trying to help one another, not use a tragedy to divide eachother further.
It’s the second most common form of suicide in the US. Unfortunately, lost an uncle and cousin to it.
Usually with a comment like that I wouldn’t reply like this but you’re very, very active in this thread.
Any statistics on public suicided by hanging? Ideally per capita grouped by race.
I had a look myself so I know this is a tall order but I thought it was worth seeing if someone has the info
I take the story personally and thats probably unhealthy… Shocking amount of suicide and denial of that suicide in my personal life. Anyway, I couldn’t get that data together specifically the way you wanted. Closest I could gather was a listing of public suicides over a ten year span 2013-2023.On average around 45,000 people commit suicide a year, about 12,000 of that by hanging. Public is where the numbers got more difficult but there is some info out there, I’ll post it below. Numbers below represent a single year based on averages from the 10 year span. So its not common but also nowhere near close to unheard of. I had an AI try to compile specifically hanging public suicides and it said between 10-15% of hanging suicides happen in public. I can include the prompts I used to get you there if you dont trust me. Sources it used were the CDC, National Center for Health Statistics and the National Violent Death Reporting System.
Motor vehicle — 2,363.
Natural area — 1,895.
Street or highway — 1,209.
Hotel or motel — 1,032.
Park/playground/sports/athletic area — 719.
Parking lot / public garage / public transport — 700.
Jail or prison — 654.
Commercial / retail area — 475.
Bridge — 323.
Railroad tracks — 285.
Hospital / medical facility — 178.
Your first link is broken.
Your second link doesn’t immediately have that data but there is a dynamic form to get some data. I don’t see public suicides in it. Since it’s a dynamic form, a genAI system won’t see the data either but will see people reference the site when making arguments. I’m assuming the genAI is just doing that.
Your last two links are the same report for different years. One says this and it contradicts your numbers:
Also, I’m not convinced that these would be even across all modes of suicide so I’m not convinced by the simple math. (ie. Maybe people use guns to kill themselves outside a lot more than at home, or the opposite. I don’t see a great reason to assume they’d be similar rates.)
My numbers were not contradicted. Look at the table on page. 32. If you don’t count jails, group homes, “unknown”, or cars as public places your total is around 18% taking place in public. I recognize that the rates wouldnt likely be even among modes of suicide. But, you’re asking for data thats incredible difficult to specifically find. My original statement is that public suicides are uncommon but not unheard. The data I provided supports that statement. I will absolutely concede that I haven’t been able to link specific modality to public though. If you find data that disproves the below please provide it.
Natural area (park, woods, open land)
1,816 =4.4%
Street / highway 1,163 =2.8%
Hotel / motel 946=2.3%
Parking lot / garage / public transport 718= 1.7%
Park / playground / sports area 330 = <1%
Bridge 316 = <1%
Commercial / retail area 316 = <1%
Railroad tracks 256 = <1%
Other location 1,321 =3.2%
Oh, I simply don’t trust genAI. I sometimes finish a project, then see what genAI has to say. It’s usually pretty misleading. They sometimes give sources though. Any links to those?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/
https://www.cdc.gov/nvdrs/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/ss/pdfs/ss7405a1-H.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/ss/pdfs/ss7305a1-H.pdf
"Hanging/Suffocation Suicides: According to CDC WONDER data, hanging and suffocation accounted for approximately 25–26% of all suicide deaths in recent years.
Public Place Suicides: NVDRS data indicates that about 22–25% of all suicides occur in public places.
Estimation: By applying the public place percentage to the hanging/suffocation suicides, we estimate that approximately 10–15% of hanging/suffocation suicides occur in public places."
In the US, gun is the most-common route.
kagis
https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html
This says 55.33% of suicides in the US are with a firearm.
I once went digging through death statistics on suicides. In Japan, firearms are hard to get, but there are tall buildings all over. Firearms deaths are down, but deaths by falling are way up.
It’s very much a locational thing.
Yes your source supports my statement that its the second most common form of suicide in the US. New Mexico also happens to be the 5th leading state in number of suicides to population ratio.
Thanks. Sorry for the family you lost.
I appreciate that. Part of why this particular case is so magnetic for me. It feels like people want to create a divisive conspiracy supported by no evidence. That way they can get some white people bad points. Rather than admit we have a massive mental health crisis happening. Everyone should be trying to help one another, not use a tragedy to divide eachother further.