WASHINGTON — White House officials have held increasingly serious discussions in recent days about President Donald Trump’s invoking the Insurrection Act, a rarely used 19th century law that gives the president the power to deploy active-duty troops inside the United States for law enforcement purposes, five people with knowledge of the talks told NBC News.

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    Dems will say “Don’t fight back, they’ll use it as an excuse.” Yet if they’re going to do it anyways might as well go down swinging rather than just roll over.

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      It fucking sucks, but it is really about waiting for The Moment.

      Getting some baseball bats and rushing an ICE office? The news media will instantly villify it as an act of terrorism and most people will decide that they themselves hadn’t noticed any problems so it probably was terrorism.

      But when The People are sufficiently angry and are actually looking for an outlet? THAT is when that act of Resistance transforms from “terrorism” to “spark”.

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        I’m just annoyed that we’re all going to have to go through so much extra pain because of the stupids. And we’d DAMN WELL better prevent them from EVER having a say again after this. I don’t care if you call it anti-democratic, I don’t care if you call it Jim Crow, I don’t care if you try and argue slippery slope - these MAGAts need to be barred from voting ever again, and their particular brand of lying hate speech needs to be outlawed.

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          Oh. Be-fucking-lieve me, the things I want are things you don’t type out ever.

          But the problem is that a plurality of the voting populace in this country WANTED this shit. You can argue that they were too stupid to know what they were voting for but they still chose hate and bigotry

          And while I sincerely doubt the Democrats will do anything (if they ever even get power again), you fundamentally can’t do ANYTHING without the will of The People. Because… that voting plurality have already demonstrated that they will be much faster to engage in violence to get their way and the Democrats have already demonstrated they want to maximize “decorum”

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            But the problem is that a plurality of the voting populace in this country WANTED this shit.

            I mean not really when you take voter suppression and other tactics into account. That’s not to even mention the handful of lawsuits from the election that are currently ongoing showing mathematical ilregularities, borderline impossibbilities.

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        That would carry a lot more weight if US citizens weren’t presented with dozens of wonderful opportunities to fix their shit which they still ignored. Stop waiting and do something you lazy cowards.

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      On the other hand, they just invent their justifications, so let them do it, and then respond with massive destruction when they do it.

      Trump has been telling everybody that Portland is “burning to the ground!” He often says to journalists “You’ve all seen it yourselves!” and they don’t push back AT ALL.

      So don’t give them reasons, just let them do it, and when they do, then we have to crush every one of them in every way possible. Ruthless, no mercy at all.

      Rather than cause trouble, just make it very clear to EVERY elected politician that if they support anything like the Insurrection Act or Marshall Law, they will pay for their support PERSONALLY, in every way possible. As long as America is under a MAGA siege, they will never be safe in their TREASON.

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        My biggest concern with that is that the GOP is ruling like they already know they won’t be held to account in the next election. If the fix is already in we’re better off acting quickly rather than allowing them to continue to consolidate power.

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    The one thing I’ve learned through his terms, especially this one, is if he is “talking” about doing something, there is an insanely high chance that it will be done. Be absolutely prepared for this to become reality.

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      I wonder if telling us makes us less likely to act. They pretty much gave us project 2025 and then just rolled their eyes to their base like we were crazy while we screamed fire.

      That’s some diabolical sibling shit. “Can you believe this guy mom? Project 2025? I NEVER said that”

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        It’s all about overloading us. Do we react to this, or do we react to the thousands of other fucked up shit this admin is doing. It’s so much that we can’t possibly pick one thing to latch on to.

        Even the organized protests can’t pick one thing to protest cause everything this admin does deserves it.

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    Trump’s plans to deploy the National Guard have occasionally hit legal hurdles. A federal judge in Oregon on Sunday blocked him from sending guard members from any state to Portland. The next day, Trump said publicly that he would invoke the Insurrection Act “if it was necessary.”

    “If people were being killed and courts were holding us up or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I’d do that,” Trump said. As of now, he said, it has not been needed.

    “Ultimately it’s the president’s vision and the president’s policies that he got elected to implement that the attorneys are just working hard to defend,” the White House official said. “We’re working hard to look at the law and say, ‘How do we achieve the president’s vision?’”

    Trump considered invoking the act in his first term during the protests after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis in 2020. He declined despite the urging of some allies and later regretted that decision, according to the senior administration official. He is viewing his current decision through that lens, the senior administration official said.

    One of Trump’s deputy chiefs of staff, Stephen Miller, has been a leading and longtime proponent of invoking the Insurrection Act.

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      basically his buried lede and dog whistle here is that he is setting up a manufactured consent: he wants an attack on an ice agent to happen so he can have an “excuse” to do this.

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        That’s how it reads to me too, accidentally saying “hurry up and riot already, something’s gotta piss some of you off enough to do it”.

        Wild that this is where we are - our president trying to bait us into helping him justify massacring us.

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    How possible is it this is to hide, distract, cover the Epstein files release?

    Would releasing the Epstein files show that trump is a traitor, criminal, and illegitimately elected to the presidency and must be removed from office?

    Would this show the extent the Republicans are covering for him because it would make them look bad?

    Would it show that our current executive branch and everyone nominated by trump should not be in their positions and any decisions and policies enacted should be reversed?

    Would the conservative voter base see the true colors of who they voted for and the entire Republican party covering for this? Would this cause a little bit of chaos?

    Sounds like a can of beans!

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    The insurrection act is your ONLY way out of this misery. Orange Satan is doing everything to disrupt your country until it becomes a totalitarian demure sh*thole. And until now he succeeds with every step.