I don’t think the rich are creating communist orgs that accurately explain the problems today just to divide liberals from the left, considering liberalism by nature already supports the system the capitalists profit off of. If anything, your suggestion is going off of vibes, hopes, and dreams.
This is just lazy rhetoric equating me to people we both don’t like. Why is it that you claim my opinion is similar to theirs? They voted for their guy, and he’s in office, no? Seems they think electoralism does work.
Because they were manipulated and coaxed into moving the needle right. It’s your turn now and the fact your opinion is the same as theirs prior to 2016 is just more examples of this. Lemmy is severely astro-turfed. The longer I’m on here the more evident it is. .ml is a place to workshop for these groups. Just like r/the_donald was
My opinion isn’t the same as Trump supporters prior to 2016, this is another case where you just make an accusation without backing anything up. I don’t have any power over any “needle.” You have no evidence that Lemmy is astroturfed, you’re trying to rationalize why your opinions are unpopular here by inventing conspiracy theories.
Yes it is. The framework is the exact same. Elections are bogus. This is the base where they started. Democracy doesn’t work for you. Disenfranchise and alienate.
Please go engage with a leftist organization in real life. You’ll quickly see how wrong this is. Arguing on the Internet is rarely productive and it’s obvious you haven’t engaged with leftist literature. If you want to make these sweeping accusations, do yourself a favor and go see the reality of the situation.
Most of the people you are arguing against have been involved in both liberal and socialist organizations. They aren’t pulling their information from nowhere.
Electoralism is bogus, yes. The concept of voting itself isn’t bad, it’s the idea that voting within a capitalist state would ever meaningfully change that to a socialist one. If this is what you mean by saying leftists are the same as Trump supporters pre-2016, then you need to pay more attention to what leftists are actually saying.
I don’t think the rich are creating communist orgs that accurately explain the problems today just to divide liberals from the left, considering liberalism by nature already supports the system the capitalists profit off of. If anything, your suggestion is going off of vibes, hopes, and dreams.
I didn’t say they were creating them. I am saying they’re targeting groups with more passion than brains
The rich do manipulate liberals into thinking they can get meaningful change through electoralism, but I don’t see what that has to do with leftists.
Yep. They want you to replace the rightwing, pro-corporate government with another right-wing, pro-corporate government.
Wow incredible. It’s like speaking to a trump supporter. Weird how your opinion parallels theirs.
What a ridiculous comment.
You would say that.
They would and did, you’re bad at this
Disagree
So?
Delusional
Yes .ml is
You are politically illiterate
You all agree liberalism is right of center.
Yes, and that’s accurate
Mf is actually bringing out the “I know you are but what am I!”
You know it’s true. Which is why your responses are this vapid
You really thought that was worth posting ey.
This is just lazy rhetoric equating me to people we both don’t like. Why is it that you claim my opinion is similar to theirs? They voted for their guy, and he’s in office, no? Seems they think electoralism does work.
Because they were manipulated and coaxed into moving the needle right. It’s your turn now and the fact your opinion is the same as theirs prior to 2016 is just more examples of this. Lemmy is severely astro-turfed. The longer I’m on here the more evident it is. .ml is a place to workshop for these groups. Just like r/the_donald was
My opinion isn’t the same as Trump supporters prior to 2016, this is another case where you just make an accusation without backing anything up. I don’t have any power over any “needle.” You have no evidence that Lemmy is astroturfed, you’re trying to rationalize why your opinions are unpopular here by inventing conspiracy theories.
Yes it is. The framework is the exact same. Elections are bogus. This is the base where they started. Democracy doesn’t work for you. Disenfranchise and alienate.
You eat with your mouth and poop with your but
…JUST LIKE HITLER
Please go engage with a leftist organization in real life. You’ll quickly see how wrong this is. Arguing on the Internet is rarely productive and it’s obvious you haven’t engaged with leftist literature. If you want to make these sweeping accusations, do yourself a favor and go see the reality of the situation.
Most of the people you are arguing against have been involved in both liberal and socialist organizations. They aren’t pulling their information from nowhere.
Electoralism is bogus, yes. The concept of voting itself isn’t bad, it’s the idea that voting within a capitalist state would ever meaningfully change that to a socialist one. If this is what you mean by saying leftists are the same as Trump supporters pre-2016, then you need to pay more attention to what leftists are actually saying.