• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    10 hours ago

    It fits more than one part, though, and that’s because ideology has to be judged in the context of the base mode of production. Both fascism and liberalism are founded on capitalism.

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      It just doesn’t seem like the sort of Wikipedia definition and the common interpretation I usually encounter agree with you on this one since the mentioned movements aren’t counted. But of course it’s not one interpretation to rule them all, just using Wikipedia as representative of the common viewpoint.

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          In that it doesn’t count those movements as part of liberalism or those parties under that umbrella. It’s the reason I posted those lists above.

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              Sure and it could be a salient point if it left out a few. It does tell you something when none of the parties in those movements are included though. Even in the articles for those particular ideologies you don’t see the claim that they’re subsets of liberalism, but a few mentions how they’re trying to counter liberal values.

              I don’t think it’s an accidental omission.

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                Wikipedia isn’t going to word for word agree with Marxists, my point is that using Wikipedia at its own word, parties like Republicans fit into liberalism.

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                  I mean I’m not sure if Wikipedia actually counts MAGA part of the party as liberals. I don’t think it does. That’s more along the lines of movements I was talking about. European alt-right the same deal.

                  But if you’re working from a specifically Marxist viewpoint I’m guessing it uses a broader definition that includes those movements.

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                    Do you disagree that MAGA fits the underlying principles of liberalism, such as a reliance on individualism, private property rights, etc? MAGA fits into that, it isn’t a distinct ideology.