I’m from Korea, and we impeached our president last year, mostly because he declared martial law, but he was also a terrible president, and no one really liked him being there, even his own party.
Why can’t the U.S do the same, if Donald Trump is so bad? Why are some Americans even supporting him?
Because impeachment is only the first step of the process, and removing him from office would require a 2/3 majority after he’s impeached. Currently, his supporters hold a majority in every branch of the government, which is how they’ve been able to pass so much heinous shit in such a short period. So there’s no chance of that 2/3 vote happening under the current congress.
He’s been impeached twice already. What will a third impeachment accomplish? We’ve already shown that it’s just theatrics and he doesn’t give a shit…
just sayin’, russians had no qualms or juridical implications when they removed nicholas ii.
Why they vote for him in the first place lol
Because the vote was rigged and Elon Musk basically bought Trump the election.
If we get majority in 2026, he will be impeached. That’s why he’s attacking all things voting. Districts, machines, and methods.
And also free speech, free press, rights in general… And I also can’t shake the feeling that the government shutdown was a ploy to attempt to delay or cancel both upcoming elections.
“If we could just get rid of one guy all would be saved” good one
You’re in U.S occupied Korea so you should know shit’s fucked beyond just one guy
What’s improved since you impeached a 3rd president in the last 20 years? A less outwardly corrupt president was elected?
I think we did twice
Trump’s party has a majority in both Congressional houses. Also, for impeachment to become a conviction, you need 2/3 of the vote in the Senate to get Trump pushed out of office. That will require several of Trump’s party’s senators to vote for impeachment. During the last Trump impeachment, only one of Trump’s party voted for impeachment and he is no longer a senator.
Trump was impeached twice in his first term. Impeachment in the US does not mean removal from office and too many on his side protect him
Because the political machinery is captive to the ruling class.
To expand on this a bit: impeachment in a liberal democracy isn’t meant as a tool for the people to remove a president that doesn’t serve their interests. It is meant as a tool for the wealthy and powerful (the venn diagram there is almost a circle) to remove a president that doesn’t serve their interests. Look at who’s paying the congresspeople and their parties. Their donors, for all intents and purposes, get to decide whether to impeach. (those same donors also control the vast majority of the media, so they can shape public opinion/manufacture consent too).
So far the wealthy have no reason to dislike Trump, so he’ll stay in power for a while. If that changes (due to dementia or otherwise) he might get impeached. I think the most likely way for that to happen is if his dumb ass crashes the real sector again in a way that hurts the rich, a-la 2020. It sadly comes down to a game of chance here: his austerity measures and trying to “save a buck” on vital government functions make a disaster more likely, but not guaranteed.
It’s the same in South Korea: the only reason the president was removed is because his erratic actions while trying to cling to power hurt the interests of the wealthy directly. The people had very little to do with it; it could have very easily gone very different, if the military (which was present at the time of the protests) got slightly different orders, or the congress people got slightly different whispers in their ears.
The funny thing is that they tried to impeach trump twice the first time he was president. Both times failed because there weren’t enough votes in the senate to actually impeach him.
So, even if 'muricans tried again, it’s likely the impeachment would fail again because of their senate
Small correction. He was impeached by the House. The Senate then decides whether to convict, not whether to impeach.
Which is why it’s so important that we turn out and vote in the midterms. So many Americans don’t vote in the midterms because it’s not for the presidential race.
Anyway if you can vote in the next midterms, show TF up and we could actually get the votes to oust this monster.
You’d need a majority in Congress and a super majorty in the Senate to be successful. Both houses currently support Trump. He was impeached twice in his first term but not removed because of a lack of a Senate super majority.
He’s still very popular, many peooke are disappointed bevase he’s not more aggressive.
An example, reading some comments in the FT about the No Kings protest and many of the comments said Trump should arrest all the protestors for being commie traitors
US Politics is absurdist theatre for the rest of the world
Also murdering people on boats and showing it on live tv… Wow.
No no no, it’s Venezuelan narcoterrorists, see! Eeeevil people who support an eeeevil narcodictator!!!
Why can’t the U.S do the same, if Donald Trump is so bad?
We don’t have a legal mechanism for it. In the US Constitution, the people do not have a direct power of impeachment. As a Federalist system, the US Federal Government was designed as a government of governments. So, the power to impeaching the US President is given to Congress, not the people.
Impeachment is a two step process in the US. The House of Representatives (the larger of the two houses) is required to pass Articles of Impeachment which list the reasons for removal. Those are then taken up by the Senate (the smaller house) which tries the President and requires a 2/3 majority to convict the President.
While it’s easy to get a sense that everyone hates the US President, especially here on Lemmy, his popularity isn’t all that far behind previous US Presidents. Yes, he is net unpopular, but not so much that his removal is politically possible. His own party (Republicans) still supports him, and they hold majorities in both houses. As such, they are neither going to pass Articles of Impeachment, nor would they convict him (and most certainly not at the 2/3 level needed in the Senate).
Why are some Americans even supporting him?
The US is rather starkly divided, politically speaking, at the moment. And people will overlook a lot from the leaders of their own party, if it means keeping the other party out of power. Trump is the latest, and one of the more extreme examples of this. His claims that he could shoot someone and not lose any votes may be close to true. There was a special election in 2017 where the Republican candidate had credible allegations of sexual misconduct with a minor. This was for a Senate seat from Alabama, which one would normally expect to vote overwhelmingly Republican. Moore did end up losing, but is was closer than one would expect, when one of the candidates is likely a pedophile.
Again, if your only source of information about US politics comes from Lemmy, you’re getting a very skewed view. Yes, he’s not popular at the moment, but there is a large segment of the US population which agrees with him. And that means we’re kinda stuck with him until 2018.
[The USA doesn’t] have a legal mechanism for it.
The South Korean impeachment only involved South Korea’s National Assembly and Constitutional Court. It is a similar procedure to the USA’s system, except that the impeachment trial would occur with the Supreme Court instead of the Senate.
We impeached him twice. He just didn’t get removed.
What is an impeachment then? I thought the result of an impeachment would be the removal of the president.
It’s kind of a vote of no confidence that then requires the US Senate to hold a “trial” on whether to remove. Essentially, the House (a more general populace representative body) says "he is bad and should be reviewed’. Then the Senate (which more represents the states, not the public) decides whether to agree and then a removal happens if they do.
Otherwise? It’s just the Senate saying “he’s fine and we’re okay with it”, which is what the Republicans are. They’re okay with crime and hatred of fellow Americans as long as it’s their people doing the hating and criming.
What a freaking nothing burger. What a flawed system.
Yep. Trump has showed every weakness in American government in such extreme ways that if we don’t change those weaknesses we can never expect anything but worse than trump.
Impeachment is basically voting for there to be a hearing. You can think of it like an indictment. But then he has to be convicted at the hearing and be removed. Which will never ever happen in a senate controlled by Republicans.
The system is flawed. These “safety systems” being controlled politically rather than by law is absolutely broken. 😆 Who thought up this asinine system?
Men with morals and standards; however flawed some of them were. They didn’t conceive that an honourable elected official would act egregiously outside the norms of decorum, respect, dignity; basically, “gentleman’s rules.” Respect for your fellow countrymen; at least those of equal or better status to your own; was baked into society, so it wasn’t even a consideration. In that regard at least, it was maybe a better time (JUST in that regard; limited though it was).
Now no one gives two shits about anything. If some deranged, narcissistic, prevaricating dimwit tells people it’s okay to hate the other people they already want to hate; and that hate gives them even a moment’s relief from their shitty lives (lives largely ruined by similar prevaricating dimwits) then that man can, and shall, be their king.
I definitely think there was more honor back in those days. I mean, thieves have always existed, but I remember even my grandfather said he never even had a lock on the front door, or needed a lock on his car, or his bike, wherever he went. People didn’t steal shit from people. At least in the city where he lived. (It was a very Christian and religious place back then; everyone went to church.)
I definitely think there was more honor back in those days. I mean, thieves have always existed
The thieves and criminals that existed back then were truly vile though. These days, someone might break a window and carry off your TV. In those days, the thieves would take everything you owned and then press you into lifelong servitude, beating you if you ever disobeyed, they would even steal your children away from you and do the same to them.
And nobody did shit about it. Why? Because these thieves were “honorable” because there were “gentlemen’s agreements” and “decorum” and “civility” meant that they were allowed to do whatever the hell they wanted to those who were considered “racially inferior.”
If that’s what honor means, then fuck honor. Fuck this civility fetishism, this nostalgia for a time of greater injustice and oppression. Half the problems we have today is because of these evil and idiotic founders setting up a stupid dysfunctional system, in some ways designed to be dysfunctional because they were afraid of “the masses” voting according to their own interests and freeing the slaves the elites relied on for their lavish lifestyles.
Source?
If that’s what honor means
That’s… not what I meant by honor, no. 😳
Christianity these days is a whole different animal.
At least Christian extremism like you see in America.
An impeachment is basically a political indictment. It’s the step before the political equivalent of a trial, not the result of it.
Trump “won” both his trials because the Senate was too corrupt to vote to remove.
I suppose a system is free from corruption as much as the people in it/controlling it. 🙈
All states ultimately serve one class of society, which rests on who owns and controls the large firms and key industries, ie which form of ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and therefore forms the basis of the mode of production and distribution. Capitalist economies always serve capitalists, while socialist countries serve the working class.
Because America is a completely corrupt society hiding behind the facade of a first world country. It’s an example of how capitalism rewards the shittiest people who have no empathy for others unless they can benefit from them.
Pretty much this.
The short answer to OPs question is: he still has support from republicans, oligarchs, and voters.
The reasons are complex but I think there are several.
Firstly no compulsory voting. Honestly the US could barely be called a “democracy” before the current shit show.
Also the “both sides” narrative perpetuated even by those on the left, to their own detriment. The left literally protesting against their own side.
America’s history of violence, racism.
Late stage capitalism - people are desperate and will follow along with populist policies even if they are lies.
Checks and balances keeping everything just a tiny sliver to the sane side of abject chaos. Like the tariffs in April - Trump rode right up to the edge but chickened out. If he hadn’t he would’ve lost control after the global financial economy collapsed.
Religion. Not sure what the situation is in Korea but it can’t be as bad as the US. Christianity in the US is just a salve to allow assholes to justify their shit behavior.
I could go on.
Like what @TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone said, what do you mean the left is protesting against “their own side?” The DNC isn’t left, it’s a right-wing party.
Ah yes, bothsidesing. As I said …
You still didn’t answer. It’s one side, the DNC and GOP are right-wing parties.
You realise this is exactly the message GOP propaganda bots push right ?
Imagine saying exactly what Trump’s strategists want you to say yet still somehow believing you’re progressive.
The DNC is a right-wing party of capital. I’m a communist, the DNC cannot and will not represent me nor the workong class. Only their donors.
Break your electoral chains
The left literally protesting against their own side.
Sorry, who on the left did the left protest against?
The dems may not be left enough for you but they are your progressive party. Protesting against them for their position on Gaza is the biggest self-own in the history of democracy.
Sorry I’m not going to engage with this dumbassery. I’m not even American.
You guys shat your own bed and the stench is wafting around the globe.
Your other arguments may have their own merits, but the dems are factually not part of the left. As a leftist, I don’t support right wing candidates. Whether you think I should have voted for them anyway is a separate argument
As I said I’m not engaging with this ridiculous position.
You were captured by GOP propaganda a year ago, and still haven’t managed to unravel your delusion even though they don’t need you anymore.
I have to begrudgingly admit they did a great job, developing assets like you who are still parroting their talking points a year later for free.
This is hilarious. Thank you for the content
South Korea is a capitalist economy…this has nothing to do with capitalism…
The ROK also rewards the megawealthy above all else, they even have a special word for them: chaebol. Capitalism everywhere is crumbling and dying.
Sure thing
Yep.
You mean the country that’s ruled by megacorporations, has a latent caste system, and was recently the theatre of an attempted coup? Yeah seems like they’re doing great.
They impeached their president…seems democracy is working pretty well there.
Let’s see who runs NK?
Who runs russia?
Who runs china?
O right, lifetime appointments with rigged elections…got it.
And why are China or Russia relevant here?
Because you’re in a tankie sub with tankies spouting off random shit about capitalism being the root of all evil…while you posted more shit about capitalism being the true cause and not the fact that shit humans exist no matter what system is in place.
