• Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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      It doesn’t. We need results. Not morally hand wringing. We can do that after we get back the culture

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        13 hours ago

        Respectfully: your point is unclear, but it feels like you’ve lost the plot.

        Maybe reread the thread and see if you’re saying what you mean to be saying?

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        For all actual leftists, please read materialism & empirio-criticism, Lenin talks about the “action above all else” people like that person above me.

        Driving against a wall is also a movement forward, just not one into a productive direction.

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          Sure. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to justify all these losses every day. The left is cooked. There’s no coming back from this. It’s not the fault of the billionaires or the Trump’s or Nazis. It’s the fault of the left for giving it all up and being so unappealing that those assholes could grow and capture the people the left alienated

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        Handwaving fascist tattoos is ceding too much in my opinion. This should be a moment where liberals have some self awareness and grapple with the use of state power to service the whims of capital, but history doesn’t provide a hopeful forecast in that regard.

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          I’m glad I’m not in Maine. Before Fetterman this would be easier to rationalize away.

          I hope Platner can reassure folks and then serve honorably, because let’s be real: despite a lack of known tattoos, I don’t think Susan Collins or Janet Mills are actually less extreme. As you’ve pointed out, support for lawless colonial attrocities is the mainstream, bipartisan consensus.

          This debate we’re having, imo, is really over whether the person he is today is a morally coherent champion of humanistic values or if there is no such candidate in this race. Which is kind of a bummer.