• amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    The voters are absolutely to blame! They voted against their most basic interested and voted for the guy that satisfied their immediate made up anger. Why vote for trump if you barely survine on food stamps but hate the gays? Because somehow hating the gays was more important. Why vite for trump if you are part of a minority group and aren’t quite well documented to live in us? Because you drank the flavour water that it will be trump who will make your life even more amazing. Not the fact that living and working there is what made your life better.

    Voters are absolutely to blame! Stuck to your phones in this algorithmic shitstorm you got fed the story that you being poor is not because of people like trump but because your gay black Latino neighbor somehow seems to have a less shitier life than you. Because you, the American voter, must wake up! You live in a shit system (your country is amazing and I wish I will be able to visit it again some day) that doesn’t exist anywhere else around the world. Your so called freedom to not care about most common sense rules of a modern society are not worth the struggle you live every day in the best of times. You need free healthcare, you need safe and free education for your children, you need protection against harmful working condition and much much more.

    I really hope that you will still get a chance to vote these fuckers out and you will have woken up by then. Take this from someone living in a country that has been under the communist boot for more than 40 years!

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      4 days ago

      You don’t even live here? We get enough of this shit from people here, don’t need it from you too. The Democratic Party is to blame for their own failures. They know how to win elections and refuse to do so because they don’t really care. Don’t blame the voters for not being inspired to vote for the shittiest alternative when they know there were better options that we never had a say in. Kamala was not actually nominated by the people, and the Democratic Party has been spreading the kind of bullshit propaganda you’re touting to blame the people they’ve been disenfranchising for years.

      We got four years of Democratic control and nothing of substance was done to prevent any of this. This is a lot more nuanced than one single election, and your comment is literally what bad faith actors write to stir conflict on the left because it mimics the actual disenfranchisement of the left. So if you truly care like you say you do, stop spreading Democratic Party propaganda.

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        Bro, your whole demeanor here is why the world thinks we deserve this. You’re fucking here, blaming Democrats for what republicans are doing. That’s fucking stupid. Americans failed an open book test to stop retarded Hitler. Americans largely deserve the derision, even the leftists and progressives that were trying to stop this. That includes me, and it includes you too. Propaganda ain’t an excuse. I’m dumb as fuck and still wasn’t manipulated by it, because all it takes to see through is the barest cunt-hair of intellectual curiosity which the overwhelming majority of us Americans fundamentally lack.

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          The first comment I responded to literally blamed left voters for what Republicans are doing. But you’re not calling them out.

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        Oh they are absolutely to blame! You had to vote between one guy who told you exactly what he will do and a chick who did not say the words you wanted to hear but was not going to touch what you barely had. Of course you go with the guy!

        You think you are unique ? Other countries have this too. Shit we had the same a while ago. One guy wanted to take us out of eu and NATO and throw us back to Russian hands and the other guy. We voted for the other guy! We want eu and NATO and all the rest. We had Russia before and no more. Who cares we didn’t really liked the guy.

        When was the last time your people voted to nominate someone and not have someone shoved down your throat? This time was no different .

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          I didn’t vote for Trump. And you don’t seem to have a good idea of just how bad corporate Democrats are. It’s not “they won’t touch what we have” it’s “they’ll give it away in less visible ways,” often through inaction when action is possible, necessary, and begged for by the people. They are not an opposition to the Republicans, they’re complicit.

          Our biggest fight is trying to convince apathetic nonvoters to vote, and apathetic voters to actually vote against this system in the primaries. Your messaging is hurting the latter, so please stop.

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            i have been thinking for a bit about what you said. you have to understand where us (people not from US) are coming from. whether you like it or not, US is (now not so much) beacon of hope, a gold standard for freedom and prosperity. you prosper, we prosper.

            i think the way you view your politics is wrong. your reality is painfully simple. you only have two choices. dems of republicans. regardless of what you wish to happen within your democratic views, at the end of the day that is all you have. to not vote dems because they don’t satisfy your immediate wishes is incredibly shortsighted. i get it, many didn’t like who was put forward from the dem side. but what exactly was the voting option on that day? it was red or blue. T or H (ironically same letters both times!). bad choices? absolutely! same outcomes? absolutely not!

            i really hope you guys wake up and change where you are heading because you have no idea how bad things can get! US and most western countries have never experienced the horrors of a totalitarian regime. i wish you good luck with your struggles!

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              I disagree on one key point. My problem with the Democratic Party is not that they don’t satisfy my immediate wishes. In fact, it is very much the opposite.

              Voting for them does satisfy my immediate wish in the general elections, which is always to keep the Republicans out of power. My problem with the Democrats is with the long term health of my country’s politics. There is a deep rot in the Democratic Party and always going for the easy path has led to that rot being ignored and festering into the sinister problem we have today. It was exposed in the most public manner to date in the 2016 primaries, and they’ve been covering it up and smearing anyone who is trying to address it ever since.

              I firmly believe if we don’t root out this corruption in the Democratic Party, it does not matter what happens in the short term. Focusing only on one election at a time is what got us into this position. We have to fight the hard fight now while we still can, because we’re sliding into fascism if we don’t, no matter who wins elections. We were no farther from fascism after Biden’s term in office than we were before.

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            4 days ago

            If you voted third party you voted for Trump. Ignorance of how our shitty system actually functions is not an excuse.