I couldn’t follow much from news outlets out of Canada.
Rotten Mango takes us through the deep dive. I think anyone with even a passing interest in Hockey, should give this a watch. But, just as the video warns, for those of you who cannot handle topics of sexual assault, please take care and stay safe.
EDIT: Here’s part one.
I didnt watch the video (2 hours? No thanks) but I think the judge made it clear that the primary witness gave unreliable and untrustworthy testimony which really sank her credibility in this case.
It hit peak head shaking wonder when the Crown prosecutor argued that just because she was sucking on a guy’s johnson doesnt mean she was consenting to other sex acts? Specifically “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act.” Which means, in that lawyer’s world, one must ask consent to every individual act.
Does that include changing positions good sir? “Uh, just because I did doggy style doesnt mean I consented to reverse cowgirl. How DARE you assume I consented!”
Hmm, I get the impression these people have never actually had a sexual relationship? Probably just safer to print out a consent form for each act and then have both parties sign before each act to make it clear they were both ok with it. I heard that works /s
What the fuck? Yes, as you’re having sex with someone it is completely normal and good to ask AT LEAST “would this be OK?” or “can we …” as you go along. Consent to one thing isn’t the same as consent to everything. Having consensual sex with a condom becomes unconsensual if one removes the condom unbeknownst to the other, for example.
You clearly fundamentally don’t understand consent.
I clearly fundamentally dont believe in casual sexual relationships where consent is an issue. The problem isn’t consent. Its that people have normalized hooking up with sexual partners they barely know, before they’ve even formed any kind of a bond, and then have to precariously navigate all kinds of sexual etiquette because there is little trust, little relationship and no commitment. Sexual assault from lack of consent is a problem created by people who have not made a commitment to love, cherish, protect and nurture the love of their life and made a lasting commitment to them. Its not rocket science to note that the people in this case only met each other a few hours before this whole sordid event happened and were only out for some ‘fun’. Its also not rocket science to note that the number of cases of committed couples who have been together for years dragging the issue of ‘consent’ into a courtroom is far far less, if you can even find those cases at all.
If you play with fire, you’re gonna get burned. Just ask some hockey players.
And Im 100% sure that my opinion will be fully accepted here on Lemmy especially by those who love their bar crawling hookups so Im gonna leave it at that. lol. I’m out.
Dude, you’re lying. Nobody who thinks women asked to be raped is capable of love. You sound like someone with a history of sexual assault desperately trying to act like they’re a person without a history of sexual assault. “Sex is about love and that’s why rape is their own fault.”
Have fun with the second divorce.
You’re getting downvoted to oblivion for a reason. No one is agreeing with you. You need to understand what consent means.
??? By your logic, if you’re ok with me sucking your dick, then tying you down and fucking your urethra is clearly ok
Yes, that is what that means. Consent is revocable, ongoing, and more complex than, “you were kinda into it before and said yes at first so now I can do whatever I want to you. No takesie backsies.” If you ever have sex, yes, that person can change their mind and it is rape if you don’t stop. That’s right, saying yes to doggystyle doesn’t mean they consented to reverse cowgirl and it takes a full two seconds to check in on them throughout sex, y’know, like they’re a person. You don’t sound like you’re talking about common sense like you think you do, you just sound like a fucking rapist who is pissed that consent language is more well known than it used to be.
Unironically, some douche named “LoveCanada” spewing rapist gaslighting talking points is just perfect, could even be a character bit.
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So you’re commenting on something you didn’t watch?
Yes, engaging in any sexual act is not implied consent for every sexual act. In what world is it hard to ask if someone wants something? They’re like, right there. Source: I’m a slut.
agree 100%. you can’t assume your partner unless consented beforehand is saying yes = do whatever you want (again, unless they specifically say that).
Yeah 2 hours of a full length feature movie with really good actors might hold my attention but two hours of a random youtuber, highly unlikely.
As for consent, sorry, Im used to being a loving committed relationship, not one night stands with strangers while cheating on my fiance after picking up someone in a bar. I know what my wife likes and doesnt like and once the train leaves the station, we’re not pausing to get ‘informed consent’ about every little change up. But you do you. Or someone else. Whichever :)
Okay… but like you get the whole thing where you can’t really have an informed opinion on something you didn’t watch, right? You don’t have to comment on things you don’t want to watch or read.
I’m happy for you and your wife! Super weird projecting though, where you equate promiscuity with cheating and short term relationships. I do enjoy short term sexual relationships on occasion, so I like to make sure I’m doing the things my partners want done. After all, you never know someone’s past or preferences.
No one ever said anything about getting consent to change positions and certainly not in a long term, committed relationship. They said consenting to a blowjob didn’t imply consent to other sexual acts. In fact, it’s in the criminal code. That’s probably why the prosecutor brought it up:
I brought up the cheating because it was part of the case. The woman in question was at a hotel bar, got tipsy, picked up the hockey player and despite being engaged, went up to his hotel room for some fun.
Something that has nothing to do with whether she consented. What decade are you from?
so wait, when you had sex with your wife for the first time, did you just start having sex with her without her saying she wanted it?
You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?
don’t pull up and talk about consent when you won’t even tell someone if you even believe in consent in the first place.
Of course I dont believe in consent. Its a mans world. We take what we want when we want it. That’s the way its supposed to be. /s
C’mon man, its not your first day on the internet nor mine. You know and I know exactly where that kind of personal question leads and Im not that dumb.
listen, believe what you want to believe ya? When someone asks for consent, first learn what consent means and why it’s important.
You got a whole paragraph talking about fucking your wife and now you’re shy? Why did you even bring it up in the first place then I don’t get it.
:) This is Lemmy, not my doctor’s office.
Exactly, so next time maybe don’t bring up how you like to fuck your wife out of the blue.
This is Lemmy and the topic was sex and consent and sexual propriety, which as a guy who’s been married twice, once the wrong way and once the right way, I happen to have some opinions on. Not a expert, just know the difference between a good sexual relationship and a bad one so my experience is applicable. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
So because she’s giving one guy a blow job in your mind it means she wants to get relied from behind by another guy?
No because she’s giving a guy a blow job she can’t claim she didnt consent to having sex with that guy. Its a nonsensical claim.
Breaking news: you can give someone a blowjob and also not want to have sex with them.
i think the words both you and @LoveCanada@lemmy.ca are both looking for is intercourse
No I meant sex. Intercourse is sex. Blowjobs are sex.
no, a blowjob is not the same as intercourse. don’t even try to make it the same
Are you trying to say that a blowjob is NOT sex?
let me ask you this, do you think, if someone consents to a blowjob, that means they also consent to penetration?
Bigger breaking news: Giving someone a blowjob IS having sex with them. Whoosh.
I just gave this guy a blowjob and he stuck it in my ass after. I guess it’s all just sex, right? It’s all the same hole in the end.
Eww. Not likely.
Yeah that’s why we ask first.