Seems very much like indoctrination to get kids to “fall in line” and enforced conformity, to try to remove independent thinking.

I’ve always hated the idea of that. What do you think about it?

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    It’s only authoritarian if the teachers / administration also wear a similar uniform, but slightly different to denote rank.

    Otherwise, it’s actually accidentally kind of socialistic, in that the divisions of class between your peers becomes less obvious, and there’s more cohesion with your fellow students versus those in authority. It’s easier for the students to rally together against something when they’re all wearing the same thing.

    Otherwise, it’s actually beneficial to authoritarians to have no dress code, because student cliques would strengthen, and infighting would be more common.

    For the USA, think about how both major parties use color to help separate people. If the colors of Democrats and Republicans were the same though, the division would be weaker.

    Uniforms have historically been used to unify groups rather than to control them.

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      Socialism isn’t the opposite of authoritarian. It’s always authoritarian to mandate uniforms, it has benefits as you and others have outlined but you are stripping people of their individuality and mandating what people can do that’s classic authoritarianism

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        I think there’s a line where mandates are authoritarian and where they aren’t, and it comes down the house beneficial for society or a group it is, but in particular also how exclusionary it is. Your view on determining it by face value is too simple for this.

        For example, if you mandate only Hispanic kids to wear uniforms, by your logic, that is more moral and less authoritarian because less students are being made to wear a uniform as opposed to all of them.

        Yet, it’s obvious that is not the case, despite fitting into your statement.

        Likewise, individualism has limits before it’s simply chaos too, and therefore should also be looked as to what point it instead brings harm. People here have, for example, listed many reasons not having a uniform code can be detrimental as well (wealth class divisions, strengthening of cliques, weakening of the student body’s efforts against things an administration will do).

        Not to mention, even in your call for a lack of uniforms, you are still technically imposing mandates: not only against those who do wish to have them, but likely against what people want to actually wear. I doubt you want students going in boxers or bikinis for example.

        And lastly, I’d like to mention that socialism is counter to authoritarianism. Authoritarianism might use some socialist aspects sometimes, but socialism itself isn’t in the same spectrum as authoritarianism.

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      17 hours ago

      divisions of class between your peers becomes less obvious

      Nope! Kids will always find ways around that.