Weight Comparison
| Model | Weight (grams) | Screen Size |
|---|---|---|
| LG Gram Pro 16 (2026) | 1,199 | 16-inch |
| MacBook Air 15 (M4/M3) | 1,510 | 15-inch |
| MacBook Pro 14 (M5/M3) | 1,550-1,600 | 14-inch |
| MacBook Pro 16 (M3+) | 2,140-2,200 | 16-inch |
Probably with unskippable advertisements.
I’m guessing it’ll pair horrible battery life with awful build quality like most Windows laptops tend to do. They’re all focusing on being thin and light like a MacBook but none of them are close to what Apple has, because of that they loose everything that makes PCs special in the desperate attempt to achieve something Apple does better.
I believe the gram is know to have decent build quality. I’m sure it doesn’t compare to an M series Mac when it comes to performance and battery life, but at least I could put Linux on it.
And then they all go to a landfill near you. When was LG a name on the laptop market?
Companies like this should not be allowed to churn crap like this
And then the all go to a landfill near you
I must assume you’re talking about LG and Apple laptops both.
To be fair, Apple hardware typically lasts for a long time. My wife has a 5 year old m1 air and we have no plans to replace it anytime soon.
We have been out the past few hours working and she went from like 50% to maybe 30-40% in that time.
I am talking about all the crap that is being built for no reason at all other than a gimmick . Like these LG laptops or the million of devices that are underpowered , poorly built or offer no real benefit. It makes more sense to buy a slightly more expensive device to make it last longer than getting a cheap unusable device. And if you can’t afford a new one always have a look at the second hand market. There are high quality slightly older devices that are infinitely better than 90%of the new ones built solely to be thrown in the bin in the shortest amount of time.
I’m not going to buy anything from LG any more. My ongoing battle against my own LG TV’s enshittification (forced ads and AI everywhere, getting worse every update) has soured my opinion on LG. They can go to hell.
Easy workaround, don’t ever let your TV access the internet.
Well the problem is we only use the TV for streaming and my partner wants Netflix and other commercial stuff. Which means I would have to connect another internet device to the TV where the same problem happens again. Going exclusively Jellyfin or whatever is not a solution at this time
Yeah… I have older 4k Roku devices luckily, they don’t have microphones and I can opt out of ads.
You can opt out of ads on a Roku? Last I checked (like 4 years ago) ads were anywhere in the OS.
A Chromecast is not full of ads, but are they all just Google TV now? Is Google TV full of ads? I haven’t used one.
Could be an option to reset your TV, disconnect it from the Internet, and buy & use a Google TV device instead. The streaming devices seem to have far fewer ads and shit than TV manufacturers cram into their devices nowadays.
The hoops we have to jump through to minimise surveillance capitalism… I see elsewhere in the thread you’ve had to use a PiHole to block most of the TVs traffic.
I have an old Chromecast but it’s not 4k. The new ones are enshittified as well as far as I know
I have a steam deck and I stream from it directly to the TV. I pirate all my Netflix shows
Easy workaround if you have a stb that has AV1 compatibility or pirated content to stream locally
I agree, LG is a pretty awful brand all around but I really like the idea of new lighter materials used in consumer hardware. Moving away from plastics to metal frames has been nothing but a fashion mistake.
I’ve actually always liked the solid feel of Macbooks. There are lighter laptops out there, but few if any feel as solid.
Hard disagree, macbooks have some of the most unergonomic and awful frame design. The sharp corner alone are just so peak stupidity.
I think people fall for “heavy == quality” falacy way too often here especially since the aluminum frame is actually worse at protecting the internals.
I just like the rigidity. I hate bendy laptops.
Why would I need the internals protected? Like most laptops, none of mine move around a lot. If I worked out in the field, I’d get something actually tough, sure. But I don’t need a Toughbook.
You need internals protected from basic shock. Macbooks are notoriously very poor regarding drops while you can play volleyball with a plastic thinkpad.
Just don’t drop your laptop lmao, how hard can it be?
I’ve never dropped my Thinkpad even, and those are actually easier to accidentally trip over since they don’t have Magsafe.
Also I’ve seen hundreds of dented Macbooks work completely fine. Same with plastic laptops like the Thinkpad and Elitebook except they’d usually have a hole or crack in the corner after the drop instead of a dent.
This is a common security fallacy as sure you might not drop your laptop like you’re not crashing your car but once you hit something it’s nice to have airbags right? People pay several thousand dollars to recover hard drives of dropped laptops and can you imagine being in such stressful position? So a bit of safety goes a long way.
You may not want to, but when you get food poisoning and have to run to the bathroom to throw up, you may knock the laptop over
If I remember correctly, Beats headphones (and many other consumer portable electronics) have been found to have pieces of metal (or even concrete) attached inside their housings to add weight and the feeling of “solid”
If you want a heavy brick that doesn’t need to move around, then buy a desktop for the power.
If you want a heavy brick that does need to move around, then buy a Think Book so that it can survive a fall.
And if you want a light laptop that’s easy to carry around, then buy a Gram so that it can survive a fall and do basic 2007 things like include a numpad.
MacBooks heavy feel is literally just them overcharging you for something brittle. It’s like being charged more for furniture because it’s heavy only to find outs it’s made with MDF.
Macbooks have decent chips that are limited by Apple’s crappy software, a flat out badly designed OS, nice screens, and way too much weight for their utility.
ThinkBooks are super cheap crap, you mean ThinkPads. Lenovo is diluting the brand.
I worked as a refurb tech. Even the T and X seriess Thinkpads regularly came in with cracks, holes in the corners, etc. Macs would come in dented too, but never did I see a hole in one.
I do also have a desktop. And I move my laptops around, I just don’t drop them on pavement.
I’m also not disabled so I’m not sure why I need the lower weight for carrying a laptop around.
Really? I thought LG was known for making the least smart TVs. I bought one not too long ago and I haven’t noticed a single smart feature.
I had to setup a custom pihole LG blacklist to keep it from displaying ads in the menu. And LG is well known for spying on their customers in the worst way possible
Rectally?
Seriously though, screen grabs are bullshit. Fuck those guys.
So no ports, a shitty battery and OS level spyware? Pass.
Wait, you keep the original OEM install? For what purpose?
My current Laptop was bought with no OS. I refuse to give my money to Microsoft.
Put Linux on it.
It made my Yoga last about 3 hours longer than Windows.
But… Do we need laptops any lighter than this? Like, I’m not moving around my 13 inch Macbook and thinking: “oh god this is a beast”. My biggest issue with laptops now days is battery life and performance, both of which my Macbook meets perfectly. Not that I like the OS or the company tbh, especially as a FOSS enthusiast.
Weight is definitely old of those things that you only notice when you notice but it’s still just a nice to have rather that critical feature. Like a more ergonomic keyboard etc. Many good parts make a good machine.
It’s one of my main criteria for my next personal laptop. I commute very frequently and travel between 2 homes, most of the time by bike and public transportation. I want to carry as light as possible.
I have a tablet but it’s nowhere near the flexibility of a Linux laptop.
Yes. Weight reduction in one place means they can increase weight in other, like battery density or heftier components (are chips and heatsinks major contributors to weight?) without affecting total weight. Same way making a phone thinner allows you to add more battery.
I think we have gone way past the ideal weight for laptops. My favorite laptop weight wise was an HO from 2009. It was 6 pounds. That thing was great. You could sit it in your lap, and it would stay there. I have a MacBook at half that weight, and it slips off my lap constantly. Part of that is the material, but part of it is that it is so light.
I really wish we could start focusing on ideal dimensions, rather than focusing on extremes just for the headlines.
I just bought an old thinkpad (x280) and i’m delighted how much lighter it is than my 16” mbp
Other people apart from you also buy laptops.
Claims to be an ai laptop. Has 8 GB of vram in a 5050.
The LLM’s are not run on the gpu but rather on the cpu “AMD Ryzen AI 400” for the higher model and use therefor the system memory.
I feel like the “AI capable” marketed CPUs are a sham. For the average user, it’s just going to feel slow compared to cloud compute, so it’s just training the average person to not bother buying AI-labelled hardware for AI.
IMHO it’s not the speed. People are patient enough if the result is good. But lets be honest the context windows are damm small to handle local context.
Try to summarize things which are bigger than a email or a very small article.
Try to have a slightly bigger codebase…And specially this “smaller” local llm’s have a much more limited quality by default without additional informations provided.
We also don’t wanna talk about the expected prices of DDR5 memory for modern CPU’s. So even if you have a AI CPU from AMD or similar most of those PC’s won’t have 64+GB ram ->
Try of a bigger content window
QWEN3:4b with 256k ctx
Oh, certainly. The reason I focused on speed is because an idiot using a shoddy LLM may not notice it’s hallucinations or failures as easily as they’d notice it’s sluggishness.
However, the meaningfulness of the LLM’s responses are a necessary condition, whereas the speed and convenience is more of a sufficient condition (which contradicts my first statement). Either way, I don’t think the average users knows what hardware they need to leverage local AI.
My point is that this “AI” hardware gives a bad experience and leaves a bad impression of running AI locally, because 98% of people saw “AI” in the CPU model and figured it should work. And thus, more compute is pushed to datatcenters.
Well if it’s anything like their previous models then it probably feels like it’s a toy. I remembered playing with a display model when I was thinking of buy it and was amazing by how flimsy it was.
On paper they seem like good laptops. But in practice?
I don’t think your personal anecdote is grounded in any meaningful reality. Laptop tech has been mostly solved for better part of a decade now and even cheap aliexpress laptops are built well enough to hold for years.
“built well enough to hold for years” is the bare minimum in laptop build quality. sure, lots of crappy flimsy laptops will last “years” but they are still crappy flimsy laptops.
also tons has changed in laptops over the last decade, particularly in efficiency.
Exactly. I have tons of cheap (when new) laptops that still work perfectly. But that’s because I baby them. If I treated them like how I treat my ThinkPads or MacBooks they’d have been broken in a year or two. Plus who actually wants to type on a laptop that’s flexing more than the keys are moving?
Meanwhile, I just got a cooling pad for my $800 laptop with a RTX 4060 that makes it bulkier and heavier, but 20C cooler when doing Blender renders. The sleek $3000 MacBook Pro I got from work would only render at half the speed, though it wouldn’t need the cooling pad. As long as I can work from the sofa or bed on a reasonably powerful machine, it’s not worth almost quadrupole the price for thinner and lighter, especially with less muscle.
Have you looked into streaming from a desktop? I’m using sunshine/moonlight to stream my video editor from gaming PC to Thinkpad and it works really well! The quality and responsiveness is really good these days to the point where it’s hard to even tell it’s a stream.
This is the way
You get all the power of a PC. There’s literally no better way to work on the go, and you can buy the cheapest little laptop known to man.
When you say stream you mean remote desktop, right?
I’ve used them quite a lot to stream games from a PC to a Steam Deck and a Nvidia Shield and agreed that the 2 projects are fantastic.
Just removed the battery.
The question is does it run as silent as apple laptops?
Silence, at least under light load, is honestly such a nice feature.
I bought my desktop at an auction for a self-driving car startup that was shutting down. Amazing specs, great price. It had two RTX 2080 Ti cards in there. Loudest GPU fan I’ve ever heard in my life. All the other fans in the computer are Noctua but I guess the Ti cards are strictly optimized for performance and not necessarily gaming. I got some nice speakers that are color-coordinated with the desktop but when I’m doing some serious gaming I have to use noise-cancelling headphones to tune out the sound of the GPU fan. Might get a different GPU at some point but it’s out of my fun budget right now.
Do you have any use case for dual cards? Might trade them in for one newer, more efficient card.
Not at all, I sold one.
hated my 3060 ti because of the ridiculously loud fans. the lowest speed for the fans was 1600 rpm and at that speed it howled like a wolf. it would frequently turn them on even when idle as the temps went above 55.
very happy with my new sapphire 9070 xt, it stays perfectly silent no matter what i throw at it.
The question is can I run Linux on it.
Personally I’m fine with them taking the noise levels from the aerospace industry, too. My primary concern is how’s the battery life?
well more noise usually goes hand in hand with worse battery life.
Most non-gaming laptops since 2010 don’t really make noticeable noise
no, even in 2020 Intel Macs were noisy compared to apple silicon Macs.
How can fanless intel macbook air make noise?
They had fans in the Pro, nobody mentioned the Air specifically in this thread. The Air at that time had a crappy Y series Intel CPU in order to go fanless.
intel airs did have fans anyway. when they switched to apple silicon they removed the fans.
The 12” macbook (not air or pro) was fanless but it was a severely gimped CPU and had major issues.
Ah okay I assumed that since the last Intel Airs used the same shitty Y series Intel CPUs they were also fanless. Now that I’m thinking though - those Airs were the ones that had fans that never really blew at the heatsink
Only the MacBook 12 was fanless from the Intel era, but I’m not too sure about that. Airs were never fanless while being Intel.
and that thing was a disaster.
Unfortunately, yes. I’m looking for a compact laptop, a typing machine of a kind, I’d use for typing texts in nvim. So I don’t care how slow it is, but I’d like it to be thin and light, with USB C adapter for charger. Even the battery life is not something I need to be high, all I care for it to handle a single writing session, of an hour or two. Ideally, I’d prefer the laptop to be cheap, I don’t need a typing machine for a grand. This laptop could be perfect for the task, yet it’s a disaster. So far, one of the best laptops I could find is a used MacBook Air 11, can get one for €50 to €100 these days.
Kinda fascinating how they manage to cram RTX GPUs in there, don’t know how practical it is given the obvious constraints in battery life and cooling but eh. If the new models are anything like the current models they’ll even have decent I/O (minus the ethernet port grumble grumble)
If they offered an AMD version with a dedicated AMD GPU I’d even be half interested. But not really, my ThinkPad P14s is gonna serve me very well for the next 10 years or so.
Macbook Air isn’t just about the weight, the processor/horsepower are a draw. I have to wonder if LG can compete with Apple’s performance, rather than just making a lighter laptop. The Macbook Air is already quite light. The Macbook Pro is a beast.
Almost as good as a macbook from 5 years ago, for only twice the price!
Not sure what you mean by that? Macbooks aren’t good laptops to begin with.
I’d take a “my first Sony”-notebook over those crapbooks for the technologically challenged 😁
Ofc with AI™
Do you actually want super light laptops? I feel like there is a sweet spot, but who knows maybe I would even want one, never held it in my hands/used it.
I feel like this comes at the cost of repairability as well though.
It does make a difference, especially when the gains are so massive. Personally I don’t care much for it but free weight loss is free weight loss. Hopefully this tech gets adopted by other laptop brands.
