Completely agree, and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was not aware of Thom Tillis’ remarks, I’ll check those out. Funny you should bring up Adelita Grijalva, because hers was the last signature required on the discharge petition, as you already know. But since then, there have been several more discharge petitions filed to get legislation on the floor and past Mike Johnson’s blockade, something like five, each one taking a handful of Republicans to cross the aisle and support it, who are getting threatening Trump phone calls and doing it anyway.
Another House example is Don Bacon, who’s finally found a vestigial spine after announcing his retirement last summer and clearly terrified because he’s still in office: this whole “the House could impeach if we invade Greenland” non-statement he made today is absolutely him throwing a sop to MAGA while doing nothing but making a hat tip to the extreme danger of any foreign invasion we undertake as a country, and to his own personal responsibility as a Congressman in getting us embroiled in it.
So the wind has definitely turned a bit in D.C., especially when you consider it would only take five House Republicans to stop the vast majority of this current madness.
And it’s the press as well: today Karoline Leavitt completely lost her shit because a guy from The Hill openly said that the ICE agent who shot Renee Good “acted recklessly and killed her unjustifiably.” This too is a HUGE crack. I’m sure you already know this, but during the first term when everyone in the press understood that White House access would be granted solely to those toeing the MAGA line, because of the Jim Acosta ban and other similar dramas where any reporter or organization not showing overt deference lost their access, today that reporter from The Hill just put it out there, in essence saying, “Fuck it, take my press pass, this is the reality.”
I was truly glad to see it. When a reporter for a national outlet like The Hill decides that the truth is more important than White House access, it’s a serious problem for the White House.
The dam is breaking all over. But it’s an incredibly dangerous time, and they can still wreak massive havoc on their way down and out in a Leviathan’s tail scenario, no matter how inevitable that exit may seem or how much copium I’m toking on any given day, lol.
EDITED to self-correct: Sean Spicer had already resigned by the time Jim Acosta got his White House ban
I’m finally finding people who are seeing what’s really happening, and are seeing some potential light at the end of the tunnel. It’s a long ways to get there, but I can at least see a potential path out of this, without a devastating Civil War.
It’s going to take having an election in November. He’s going to try and stop it, but elections are a state-managed process, so what if Blue states decide to have their elections, and send new reps to DC to be sworn in by Johnson? What if there are so many that it flips the House? What if the MAGA government decides to honor Trump’s demands over a legal election?
Nobody knows what’s going to happen, everything is speculation, but one thing we can count on - MAGA is capable of ANYTHING, no matter how heinous and unspeakable.
While your reasoning is sound, I don’t share your sang-froid. We should not assume that there will be elections, unless we are organized, with a plan to make them happen. Trump and MAGA have largely gotten what they want because they’re exploiting a power vacuum. The only times they’ve backed down are when they’ve actually faced opposition. Their disorganization and collective psychopathy make them weak. They overcome that weakness by using momentum, by flooding the zone with shit, and by exploiting the spinelessness of the opposition. We have to deny them that momentum, stop the endless flood of propaganda, and most importantly, organize.
Because of the comment you chose to reply to, I am assuming that you are responding to what I wrote in the linked thread and not this thread; if I am mistaken please correct me.
We should not assume that there will be elections
Agreed! I do NOT assume there will be elections, and started off by saying that if there are no mid-terms what we will have is complete chaos at every level. What I was responding to was the ridiculous imagination of someone thinking – you know what, I still don’t know what he was thinking, lol. But the assumption that any of us know what will happen next is laughable.
Even if the orange kiddie raper carks it or is otherwise removed prior to November, there is still an army behind him desperate to remain in power and advance their own agenda, with an election system that I believe is already compromised. And I do not rely on the weak, useless, controlled political opposition to do it now. As Bernie said last October, Washington is too corrupt, and they can’t fix it. We the people must. I think we all have a part to play if we want to keep democracy, and I know I do.
Every word you said is true. I don’t disagree with any of it. Especially this:
We have to deny them that momentum, stop the endless flood of propaganda, and most importantly, organize.
TRUTH. I keep responding to all the “protests do nothing” folks here because ALL protests do something, most importantly create that sense of community among us that will work together to stop this madness. I wish I knew how to stop the propaganda, though: if it weren’t for propaganda we would not now be facing a political cult hellbent on replacing democracy with fascism.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I regret I wrote in such a way that it somehow reads as less than extreme crisis, because it absolutely is not.
Completely agree, and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was not aware of Thom Tillis’ remarks, I’ll check those out. Funny you should bring up Adelita Grijalva, because hers was the last signature required on the discharge petition, as you already know. But since then, there have been several more discharge petitions filed to get legislation on the floor and past Mike Johnson’s blockade, something like five, each one taking a handful of Republicans to cross the aisle and support it, who are getting threatening Trump phone calls and doing it anyway.
Another House example is Don Bacon, who’s finally found a vestigial spine after announcing his retirement last summer and clearly terrified because he’s still in office: this whole “the House could impeach if we invade Greenland” non-statement he made today is absolutely him throwing a sop to MAGA while doing nothing but making a hat tip to the extreme danger of any foreign invasion we undertake as a country, and to his own personal responsibility as a Congressman in getting us embroiled in it.
So the wind has definitely turned a bit in D.C., especially when you consider it would only take five House Republicans to stop the vast majority of this current madness.
And it’s the press as well: today Karoline Leavitt completely lost her shit because a guy from The Hill openly said that the ICE agent who shot Renee Good “acted recklessly and killed her unjustifiably.” This too is a HUGE crack. I’m sure you already know this, but during the first term when everyone in the press understood that White House access would be granted solely to those toeing the MAGA line, because of the Jim Acosta ban and other similar dramas where any reporter or organization not showing overt deference lost their access, today that reporter from The Hill just put it out there, in essence saying, “Fuck it, take my press pass, this is the reality.”
I was truly glad to see it. When a reporter for a national outlet like The Hill decides that the truth is more important than White House access, it’s a serious problem for the White House.
The dam is breaking all over. But it’s an incredibly dangerous time, and they can still wreak massive havoc on their way down and out in a Leviathan’s tail scenario, no matter how inevitable that exit may seem or how much copium I’m toking on any given day, lol.
EDITED to self-correct: Sean Spicer had already resigned by the time Jim Acosta got his White House ban
I’m finally finding people who are seeing what’s really happening, and are seeing some potential light at the end of the tunnel. It’s a long ways to get there, but I can at least see a potential path out of this, without a devastating Civil War.
It’s going to take having an election in November. He’s going to try and stop it, but elections are a state-managed process, so what if Blue states decide to have their elections, and send new reps to DC to be sworn in by Johnson? What if there are so many that it flips the House? What if the MAGA government decides to honor Trump’s demands over a legal election?
Constitutional Crisis, anyone?
I just got into that with someone here the other day, lol. Not my clearest writing, but dude was just delusional, IMO.
Nobody knows what’s going to happen, everything is speculation, but one thing we can count on - MAGA is capable of ANYTHING, no matter how heinous and unspeakable.
They have no moral constraints, but that doesn’t make them omnipotent.
While your reasoning is sound, I don’t share your sang-froid. We should not assume that there will be elections, unless we are organized, with a plan to make them happen. Trump and MAGA have largely gotten what they want because they’re exploiting a power vacuum. The only times they’ve backed down are when they’ve actually faced opposition. Their disorganization and collective psychopathy make them weak. They overcome that weakness by using momentum, by flooding the zone with shit, and by exploiting the spinelessness of the opposition. We have to deny them that momentum, stop the endless flood of propaganda, and most importantly, organize.
Because of the comment you chose to reply to, I am assuming that you are responding to what I wrote in the linked thread and not this thread; if I am mistaken please correct me.
Agreed! I do NOT assume there will be elections, and started off by saying that if there are no mid-terms what we will have is complete chaos at every level. What I was responding to was the ridiculous imagination of someone thinking – you know what, I still don’t know what he was thinking, lol. But the assumption that any of us know what will happen next is laughable.
Even if the orange kiddie raper carks it or is otherwise removed prior to November, there is still an army behind him desperate to remain in power and advance their own agenda, with an election system that I believe is already compromised. And I do not rely on the weak, useless, controlled political opposition to do it now. As Bernie said last October, Washington is too corrupt, and they can’t fix it. We the people must. I think we all have a part to play if we want to keep democracy, and I know I do.
Every word you said is true. I don’t disagree with any of it. Especially this:
TRUTH. I keep responding to all the “protests do nothing” folks here because ALL protests do something, most importantly create that sense of community among us that will work together to stop this madness. I wish I knew how to stop the propaganda, though: if it weren’t for propaganda we would not now be facing a political cult hellbent on replacing democracy with fascism.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I regret I wrote in such a way that it somehow reads as less than extreme crisis, because it absolutely is not.