• seejur@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Considering most monarchies are no more in Europe, it didn’t really fail miserably

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        Do you have any grasp of history?

        It resulted in a dictatorship and then a return of the monarchy.

        It DID NOT magically remove all monarchies in Europe, that is a ridiculous ahistorical claim. It didn’t even ultimately remove the monarchy in fucking France.

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          It was the start, because even if Emperor’s went back, installed by foreign powers, they were heavily checked by other institutions, and removed again and again by the citizens of france. It ended effectively the age of absolutism and started democratic movements.

          So yes, it was definitely important for democracies in Europe, a land entranced in absolutists kingdoms

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        They can’t be separated. It’s all part of the same historical process.

        And it’s lazy bullshit that prevents people from having to think or to take realistic actions.

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      How do you judge success or failure?

      How would you respond to the claim that at the very least it permanently rewired the concept of legitimate government based on ideas like nation, citizenship and rights, even if the outcomes of that rewiring were neither linear nor immediate? Creating institutional templates, accelerating modern politics and seeding democracies?