I am not an atheist, I genuinely believe that God exists and he is evil, like a toddler who fries little ants with a lens.
I’ve always said (jokingly since I’m an atheist) that Christians got it mixed up and thought Satan was God, so they’ve really been worshiping Satan all this time. They don’t want to admit they’re wrong about him being good, so they make up all kinds of excuses for all the horrible things he does. That’s why they were totally conditioned and ready to do the same with trump.
Just a gentle reminder that there are very many more Christians in the world that aren’t American and certainly don’t support Trump. Or even care that much about American politics.
LOL there aren’t people in the rest of the world. America is everything and everything is America. If you don’t agree will bring “Freedom” to you.
And a reminder that the Crusades and Inquisition both happened before USA was a country or even colonies. And Protestantism started because some people thought the Catholic church was too lenient (while trying to avoid being put to death by the Catholic church for saying that publically).
Not to defend American Christianity, but I’m not buying that it’s fine outside of America.
The Christian god is just a spurned lover who wrote in their diary about how stupid and mean their ex is and they should never have dumped him.
Satan is the dumper and has moved on long ago.
100% and they should swap jobs too. You hear from Christians all the time “this is the devils work” or “Satan made me do it.”
Conversely, how often do you hear this?
“What, that place? That one their? Yeah, that place is heaven on earth.”
Never
But “hell on earth” we hear all the time. You know why?
Because Satan is busy.
Imagine how much work hed do, if he got to be in charge. “Wanna know what will really piss yahweh off?”
No, Satan is just a being created by God who realized how fucked up God is.
Of course, the issue with God is that its presence equates power with morality, which makes people think Trump is a moral man.
the issue with God is that its presence equates power with morality
I can’t agree with this enough. My sister, a Christian, even agrees. Things are “good” and “bad” because god says they are, and for no other reason. And god is the highest good simply because he said that he is. The reason he gets to make those rules is that he’s the most powerful.
Most ancient religions had gods that were both good and evil. They were flawed and just as bad as humans if not worse for their abuse of power. Christianity and Judaism is pretty different in that they claim god is super good, especially Christians, even though there are things in their own Bible that show their god being evil.
I always used to wonder why they worshipped such a shitty god, and if I, a mere human, have better morals and know right and wrong better than the Christian god, what good is he?
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There’s simply no reason an all-powerful being needs anyone to be tortured to death to initiate a forgiveness. Torturing someone’s descendants because they fucked up is some cartel shit. If your religion has morals on par with a cartel you might be objectively incorrect.
God works in mysterious ways
It’s all part of his plan
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.
Yes. It’s Dystheism.
Also noteworthy is misotheism. Seems OP counts as both.
“Dystheism (from Ancient Greek: δυσ-, romanized: dus-, lit. ‘bad’ and θεός theos “god”) is the belief that a god is not wholly good and can even be considered evil, or one and the same with Satan.”
Dystheism
TIL
the term i always heard was maltheism. reading the other comments though, i’m surprised how many other terms there are for this.
fun fact: renowned mathematician Paul Erdős referred to God as the SF, or Supreme Fascist, who kept all the best mathematical proofs to himself.
Erdos was fucking weird, lol.
Hmm. Does God know the largest prime? Does God know the last digit of pi?
The premises of the questions are wrong, hence they do not speak to the knowledge of anyone but yourself unfortunately. There are no last element in an infinite chain, because that is contradictory to the fact that they are infinite. Even questions such as the barber’s paradox, that are not logical falacies, do not imply the nonexistence of god.
Mathematically speaking, everyone knows the last digit in Pi due to there not being one. We call this concept that something is vacuously true. Similarly a nonsense statement such as “all ants on the moon eat people for breakfast” is also true by default.
so the proof of the irrationality of pi is a bit more than i want to get into here, but there’s a very simple proof that there are infinite prime numbers which i will share here.
suppose that there is a finite number of prime numbers. write out a list of all of these prime numbers, and multiply them together. add one to this product, and you now have a number that is not divisible by any of our list of prime numbers, and thus should be another prime. this contradicts our initial assumption of finite primes, and therefore there are infinite primes.
any god is not above mathematics.
Knowing they don’t exist would count.
I am unimportant. This world is primed for the great devourer.
I genuinely believe that God exists and he is evil, like a toddler who fries little ants with a lens.
That could describe the Demiurge in Gnosticism.
There is no god, but if there was one, the only logical conclusion is that he’s evil. So whatever you call it, your religion is the most sane one I’ve ever heard about
the only logical conclusion is that he’s evil
If you’re talking about the Abrahamic one, yes. Others could be good or neutral depending on their claimed characteristics.
Looking at the pain and suffering in the world, any god that is not only capable of stopping that, but is by definition the one that made things this way, the only logical conclusion is he’s evil, Abrahamic or otherwise
Yes, but a less powerful god may not be.
Fair enough
Fellow Sapiens enjoyer
I think it’s a common argument that’s been made by Hitchens and Steven Fry too, but you’re right 😁
God is real [points thumbs to self] and he’s evil as fuck.
A toddler who fries ants with a lens isn’t evil, though.
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He’s only not evil because he can’t understand his actions.
A god would have to be dumb for this logic to apply.
Yeah, that’s a chaos god, not evil.
Can I interest you in Sithrak, the god who hates you?
The best part is that he’s actually a chill guy.
Man this is fantastic. Can a gentleman pass the sauce?
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It says right on entry that it started as an attempt at porn. It has all the things.
So just like normal religion but honest?
God is unreasonable and scary when you are a Christian, at least for me when I grew up. You’re basically told he can read your mind so you pretend he’s a great guy, but to me an evil God is just Christianity.
How does it help to pretend anything if he can read your mind?
He can only read surface level thoughts. Any deeper and we’d be able to tell, proving his existence, which would make faith irrelevant and lead him to disappear in a puff of logic.
How would we be able to tell?
You have to learn to fool yourself and to not ask such questions
Some of the Gnostics reckoned that El/Yaweh was an evil demiurge. There are some that believe that El/Yaweh is actually Loki and that we are on the verge or Ragnarok.
Anti-theism?
No, that’s being opposed to the belief in god or gods.
Adaptus Ministorum
The real question is why do you feel so angry and upset about your life? I would start focusing on the good things not just the bad ones.
What a wild assumption to make based off someone seeing all the evil in the world and the garbage religious people justify, and thinking they are angry about their life.
Sure, but that is if they are focusing on only the bad things and ignoring the good things. Someone that is wildly happy with their life is not thinking how life is so terrible and evil.
Someone that is wildly happy with their life is not thinking how life is so terrible and evil.
This isn’t a zero sum game.
You can be happy and recognize that life is also terrible and evil.
Sure, but people that are wildly happy is unlikely to see everything as evil.
Are you trying to advocate for bliss in ignorance?
Please tell me you’re joking?
The whole post is a matter of opinion. Are you claiming people with shitty lives will just as likely to have the OPs opinion of someone living a good life?
Answer my question.
The post isn’t a matter of opinion. He didn’t ask whether his view is correct or true, he asked what its academic name was. He is seeking a specific answer. You’re the one injecting opinion into a conversation that didn’t ask for any.
If I asked what the name of the god of the Hindu religion was, it wouldn’t be an open invitation to begin debating the merits of said religion. And even if u decided that it was, it sure as hell isn’t were you get asked a simple question like “are u advocating for ignorant bliss”, and then say “well this whole post is a matter of opinion” which is both complete bullshit as I’ve now shown, and also a cowards move, because you are pivoting the conversation as a means to not answer a simple question since you can tell you’ve lost the argument.
You might consider reflecting on your own viewpoints, because if they cant stand up to simple questions about their own merits, then maybe you should get a new viewpoint, or at a minimum you stop spreading them on the internet to people who didn’t ask.
Yes. Questioning things is sign of intelligence not quality of life.
That’s completely irrelevant. You can be working hard towards something and achieve it while there is someone always trying to sabotage you. I am asking about the saboteur
Persepctive is extremely relevant. For example if you live under a government and things are going great for you, you will more likely think the government is good than someone that is in poverty and under attack by the government.
What in your life is not going so great that you are unhappy? Writing someone might actually help.
Your adding the baseless implication that there is something wrong in their life. I’m not a 10 year old being murdered by Israels missles, or a Ukrainian forced to go to war, or a toddler dying of leukemia, but those things exist in this world. Whether they affect me or not they exist, hence ur making the assumption this is a complaint on their own life.
I am making that assumption and it is probably accurate. I could be wrong but probably not, happy people dont tend to rail against how terrible life is.
“I am making assumptions”
Full stop, you did it. You do not know a single thing about this person but believe ur assumptions to be truth based on personal experience, such that now you believe it’s ok for you to make public accusations about their mental health, that is ignorant, you are a clown.
We make assumptions every hour of everyday, and I didnt say anything about his mental health, I just know they are probably very unhappy and have lived a life that needs changed.
Most likely the saboteur doesn’t exist and you’re having bias reviewing your life.
How can you assume that? There is no data which supports the absence of a creator. As long as the initial cause is not determined it’s all hypothetical. It’s like arguing between Copenhagen interpretation and Many worlds. All arguments are moot without data.
I have changed my mind about how much we should bet on the fucker actually existing. The dude who sent the Carl Sagan video… You da mvp
How can you assume that? There is no data which supports the absence of a creator.
I said “most likely”. If you have material, objective, reproducible evidence that skeptics can examine proving the existence of a god, please present it. And win a Nobel prize.
What I mean is that we don’t have any data to even comment on the likelihood. You can’t say most likely.
Apply your comment to fairies. Do you arrive to the same conclusion? If not, why?
And in that situation, the safest bet is to say no. See: the invisible dragon https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage
They certainly didn’t start out this way, but the terms gnosticism and manichaeism are now both used loosely for this depending on the context.