For example, I’m using Debian, and I think we could learn a thing or two from Mint about how to make it “friendlier” for new users. I often see Mint recommended to new users, but rarely Debian, which has a goal to be “the universal operating system”.
I also think we could learn website design from… looks at notes …everyone else.

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    Arch could use better standard MAC security applied to systemd units like Debian does.
    Arch could have an easy few clicks installer, something like a default modern setup.
    Live kernel patching.

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      archinstall script worked good for me, i installed arch on 2 kvm yesterday, i just filled blank this script offers and everything was done without me, only one advice, include your users in sudoers file as script doesn’t do that automatically, also there’s gentooinstall script derived from archinstall one

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    I’d really like it if Fedora didn’t discourage packaging static libs, but still discouraged building packages with static libs. It’d be nice to have them for development purposes.

    I also wish they made “third party” software a bit easier to access in their installer and distro as a whole. The option to enable Nvidia drivers is buried, and even though flathub is now unrestricted when toggled in the installer, it’s not the first priority when prompted for software to install in gnome software.

    A longer support cycle with less releases would also be nice, but would defeat the purpose of the distro. I guess it’d make more sense if CentOS Stream released more frequently and with more packages available in EPEL, similar to Ubuntu.

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      The option to enable Nvidia drivers is buried

      You just type Nvidia into Software. They’ll never promote it unfortunately.

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    Gentoo - patience.
    But seriously. With the USE flags, compiler options, you can understand software more from a developer’s point of view.
    You can try to optimize software for your hardware.
    Fully explore the configure options. With a binary package you have no control.

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      How are those new binary applications coming along? is it feasible to mix. I don’t want to compile everything.

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        Quite useful if you don’t mess with the USE. I can be mixed.
        I recently tested the binary option, I set desired profile (eselect profile list) and it just worked™.
        Some applications still require manual compilation, e.g. llvm, gcc, systemd.

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    Everything from each other. Almost no distro will ever be extremely effective at doing anything that is literally impossible on any other distro.

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          You probably shouldn’t be accessing a linux distro’s website from mobile but yeah the site does look weird and amateur

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            You probably shouldn’t be accessing a linux distro’s website from mobile

            Well how else am I going to access it, I borked my computer mid-install :P

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            You probably shouldn’t be accessing a linux distro’s website from mobile

            I don’t think it’s good to hand-wave a website’s poor user experience and instead blame the user’s device. The fact of the matter is that Debian’s website is not as responsive as it could (imo, should) be and results in a bad user experience. With mobile traffic being responsible for over 55% of the internet’s traffic, it can be generally assumed a user’s first experience learning about a distro will be on a mobile device. If that first impression is bad, that can spell bad news for that distro’s adoption/onboarding.

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              For me it’s mostly that the site sprawls in unintuitive ways. It’s possible to have a simple look while being easy to navigate, for example (and this is subjective, but still) https://www.openbsd.org/

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              Sorry if my irony wasn’t too obvious. It certainly is not supposed to look that way. There are a lot of pages all over the internet that function just as garbage as this, especially on mobile. That’s why I meant it looks “normal” as in not out of the ordinary.

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    Slackware - if it ain’t broken don’t fix it. Gentoo - USE flags. Mint - user-friendly.

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      Slackware is broken, though.

      • Its releases are so far apart that the default installer stops working in between releases cause it can’t handle the changes to the repos.
      • Its default software selection is outdated, makes no sense (multiple tools for the same task), and is grouped illogically. If I want to run Xfce, I shouldn’t have to install the KDE group to satisfy necessary dependencies. If I install the base group, all dependencies for using the package manager should be satisified. And Libreoffice shouldn’t be installable only via an unofficial, unsupported third party repo.
      • Its documentation is so outdated it isn’t useful anymore:
        https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:slackware_admin:installing_on_uefi_hardware

      “Some modern computers have started to offer motherboards that use Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) as a replacement for the traditional BIOS.”

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      Slackware needs to learn how to be hip like arch. I’m the baby in our irc group, and I’m 40. All the cool kids are using arch BTW.

  • Fedora, NixOS and Void need a proper wiki like Arch

    Most distros could also learn from Arch and create something similar to the AUR. Nix is going in the right direction.

    And I guess almost all distros could learn from Artix and Devuan and reconsider if systemd is the right choice.

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      Seconded. NixOS’s documentation has consistently been the worst I’ve read, always forcing me to go to the source code to try and understand what in the world is happening. It makes quick changes to new things nigh impossible. I had to resort to taking notes when I understood things about nix in order to retain the knowledge or at least link to where I could easily regain it.

      The nixos wiki was marginally better and https://nixlang.wiki/ has been better. However the latter is less known so has less content. All in all, nix documentation is still bad.

      Anti Commercial AI thingy

      CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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        NixOS has the best concept AMD even pioneered it, but whether its implementation and documentation is perfect is a topic for debate.

        However, it’s been quite long since I had to fiddle with my config and add such, the downsides don’t really affect one on a daily basis. In fact, I recently reinstalled my machine to change the root filesystem and it was an absolute breeze. If not for secure boot, it would have been absolutely trivial, and with secure boot it was easy and convenient.

        As such, I consider the pains an investment into system that runs much better down the road. Though I’d love it if these pains were reduced.

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      honestly I wished the arch wiki turned into a distro agnostic wiki. i have been using debian for decades and use arch wiki all the time but it would be nice to have a one stop shop for linux documentation. the Wikipedia of Linux run as a coalition.

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      Most distros could also learn from Arch and create something similar to the AUR.

      i’ve seen Void’s xbps-src tool compared to the AUR multiple times in /r/voidlinux (and i guess it’s like a decentralized AUR?? you can build+install pkgs from source using the package manager, sure, but there’s no one big diy xbps packages registry like aur.archlinux.org for Void) and while i don’t really see it, if you follow that train of thought, void’s pretty set in the “right direction” :D

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    The universal operating system keeps dropping support for archs few people use… how universal, eh?

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      Ya, that bothers me too. Not enough to contribute time to prevent it though. So, I do not have much moral standing to complain.

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    I usually use Fedora these days and I have few complaints but I sometimes miss the ArchWiki. Not that Federa isn’t well-documented — it obviously is well documented by nature of being a RedHat product — but people in the Arch community will sometimes make a whole page to document how they fixed a specific laptop model’s relatively unimportant hardware compatibility issue.

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      I’m on Fedora too and quite often end up on the Arch wiki. A lot of the stuff there applies on other distros too.

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    Fedora Atomic Desktop, mainly KDE.

    • Fedora adds their pretty useless Fedora Flatpak repo, that is more secure but has unofficial packages, an additional runtime in RAM and a very small set of apps (they need it due to “legal problems” when preinstalling apps. Like… just dont preinstall them but add a startup page to install them manually?)
    • There is no good way to use NVIDIA as it needs proprietary drivers and some tweaks. Ublue fixes that. Same with other out-of-tree stuff. Not really their fault, but be aware that atomic Fedora has basically no proprietary NVIDIA driver support.
    • i think their kernel is extremely bloated, I would prefer having separate ones for only intel, amd, nouveau and also removing all the legacy hardware drivers nobody uses
    • an x86_64-v4 (or at least v3) variant would be really necessary (my 2012 Thinkpad is v3)
    • they will likely prefer to use flatpak firefox, just like ublue does, ignoring the inability to sandbox processes at all. This is the list of issues that need solving until Firefox “can be shipped as flatpak”
    • they use toolbx (with that silly rename from “toolbox”) instead of distrobox. Distrobox has way more critical features like a separate home, which prevents breakages through conflicting dotfiles. Toolbx is the worse product.

    Also, their traditional KDE variant is very bloated, which is why I updated this guide

    But overall its still my favourite distro. Has a nice community, all the desktops you want, SELinux (which is btw required to make Waydroid somewhat secure) and their atomic stuff is an awesome base thanks to ublue.

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      You mention that their kernel is bloated, would you mind sharing how you measure it compared to other kernels. Such as their kernel vs something more trimmed down. Is it a storage space savings or memory? I’ve never really considered the weight of a kernel when considering different distros so if you have some method I’d love to try and compare what I’m running.

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        I have no comparisons as I think all distros ship the complete monolithic kernel. Of course specific IOT devices or Android ship a very much smaller kernel.

        Building the kernel is not that hard, as you have kernel-devel which has all the sources.

        You can use make menuconfig and see what all is enabled (as far as I understood this) and change stuff before compiling.

        Monolithic kernels are pretty bad, see this excerpt of the interview with Jeremy Soller on RedoxOS.

        So I dont mind memory or even less storage space, as the kernel poorly is not relevant at all here. I just care about keeping the root binary with access to all my stuff as small as possible.

        I would love a system that detects the used hardware and then builds the correct small kernel for it. There are experiments making the CentOS LTS kernel work on Fedora, which would prevent many recompilations.

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          Building the kernel is not that hard, as you have kernel-devel which has all the sources.

          Yeah. Some myth that it’s hard to do is not why we end up with monolithic kernels. Like any case where you find yourself thinking “it doesn’t look that hard; I could do that easily”, it’s either harder than it looks or it’s done a certain way for an entirely different reason you haven’t figured out.

          You should learn that reason.

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          If you don’t mind me asking, then how do you know the kernel they use is bloated compared to any other kernel? A vast majority of the device-list stuff is loaded only when that device is detected with kernel modules. You aren’t actually running everything from the entire kernel, it just has support for the devices if it does detect them. which is basically the functionality you are asking for, ad-hoc device modules.

          Monolithic kernels aren’t “bad”. That’s subjective. Monolithic kernels have measurable and significant performance benefits, over micro kernels. You also gain a massive complexity reduction. Micro kernels, historically, have not been very successful, e.g. Hurd, because that complexity management is extremely difficult. Not impossible, but so far kernel development has favored monolithic kernels not without reason.

          If what you say is actually that easy, why wouldn’t all distro’s just do that during the install, and during updates with their package managers? I believe you could do this in Gentoo, but I don’t know if it has measurable benefits beyond what performance tuning for your specific CPU arch would give you. Since none of those devices you aren’t running are consuming any resources beyond the storage space of the kernel.

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      It wouldn’t be too difficult™ to fork their kernel and make custom configs of it. Here’s the git repo that holds their rpms and their respective kernel configs, it’s just that nobody has cared enough to create/propose “slimmed down” specialized kernel images: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/kernel/tree/rawhide You can just clone the repo and point COPR to it, then automatically build custom kernels.

      Awhile ago there was a proposal to move the x86 microarchitecture level. Here’s recent discussion on that proposal: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/what-happened-to-bumping-the-minimum-supported-architecture-from-x86-64-to-x86-64-v2/96787/2

      In general, though, Fedora would not want to leave any users behind. Instead, the proposal for hwcaps is currently being drafted: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3151 With hwcaps, default installs will be x86_64 v1, but will be upgraded to “optimized” packages if available upon updating. This makes packaging a bit awkward, though. Packagers already need to maintain packages for multiple versions of the distro. In fact, they need to support F38, F39, F40, and rawhide atm. Needing to maintain an extra 3 builds for each package on top of x86, x64, aarch64, ppc64le, and s390x is a bit of a burden, so success might be limited.

      Distrobox, while feature-rich, is still a bit hacky (though it’s still more reliable in my experience than toolbx). You’re not the first to want this, though: https://github.com/fedora-silverblue/issue-tracker/issues/440

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        Yes thar is the direction I am going to. But they just disable kernel modules from running, I dont know if that is as complete as simply not building them.

        But if its possible, then everyone with amd or intel should block nouveau, and vice versa. Just keep it small.

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          Yeah, this is the old philosophy of the “run anywhere” philosophy of linux (or computers in general) that got us here. Another problem with stripping down kernel drivers is that swapping hardware component will require rebuilding the kernel, which regular user will definitely not be happy about.

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            It would be a problem because of how it is currently done.

            I imagine an install ISO to have a monokernel, build the kernel-building-system and detect the needed drivers. Save the config and build the matching kernel from that.

            Now if you want to swap hardware, there is a transition tool within the OS that allows to state the wanted hardware component and remove the old driver from the config.

            Or you switch to a monokernel and run the hardware detection and config change again.

            Or you use the install USB stick (which you already have) which already uses a monokernel and has a feature to detect hardware, change the config on the OS, build and install the kernel to the OS.

            This is a bit more complex than for example what fedora plans with their new WebUI installer. Poorly such a system also doesnt work that well with so many kernel updates.

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              I am not an expert, but I feel like rebuilding the kernel is probably too slow for most user.

              And kernel already dynamically load the kernel module, then disabling them would practically make sure they will not be loaded.

              I feel like we don’t need to go down to micro-kernel to solve the problem of loading too many drivers.

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                What I really like about stuff like RedoxOS, COSMIC, typst, simpleX, Wayland and others is having stuff built from a modern perspective with modern practices.

                Linux is ancient now, and its a miracle that it is thriving like this.

                If dynamic loading really is that robust, it probably doesnt matter. But I dont know how big the performance increases are and I really need to do benchmarks before and after.

                There are btw also some experiments on making tbe CentOS-Stream LTS kernel run on Fedora. Which would be another great way of getting a more stable system.

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    All distros, or none: flatpak has to improve in regards to launching an app from terminal. Following is a joke:

    flatpak run com.github.iwalton3.jellyfin-media-player
    
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      This is extremely simple to fix with scripts that can be automatically created on install time. Here is a quick script I just wrote. It will search for first matching app and run it. Just save the script as flatrun, give it executable bit and put it into $PATH. Run it as like this: flatrun freetube

      #!/usr/bin/env bash
      
      # flatrun e
      # flatrun freetube
      
      if [ "${#}" -eq 0 ]; then
      	flatpak list --app --columns=name,application
      else
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      	)"
      
      	if [ -z "${app}" ]; then
      		flatpak list --app --columns=name,application
      	elif [[ "$(echo "${app}" | wc -l)" -gt 1 ]]; then
      		echo "${app}"
      	else
      		flatpak run "${app}"
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      fi
      

      Edit: Just updated the script to output the list of matching apps, if it matches more than one.

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        Yes and I did a similar script but “just create a script” is a really bad solution.

        Apps should need to declare a shortname and flatpak should have a shortcut for those with a separated command like flatrun.

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          I personally don’t think that creating a script is a bad solution. The entire Linux eco system is based around composable components (especially when we talk about terminal commands). Most of the Flatpak applications are available through GUI menus (.desktop files) and that’s the focus of Flatpak. And I think it’s a design decision not to expose every application as a separate program in the $PATH by default. This way there is less of a chance to collide with anything random on the system, if they have the same name.

          Having said this, I still agree it would be beneficial for most users if there was a way to automatically create scripts in a special bin folder, that is available in the $PATH. The problem is, what application name should it have? What about different versions of the same program? The entire Flatpak concept was not designed for this, so creating a script for your personal use is not a bad solution.

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              Please read my reply before you repeat. How should the different versions of an application be handled? What if the shortname is already taken? There will be collisions, which the longname tries to solve. Flatpak is not a repository where all names can be checked against, this is the job of a repository like Flathub. What about different versions of an application?

              This is not a simple case of forcing to specify shortnames.

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          I think a good solution would to just have that script autogenerated by the flatpak, honestly.

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      flatpak run com.github.iwalton3.jellyfin-media-player

      You can use /var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/com.github.iwalton3.jellyfin-media-player instead. and then create aliases or symlinks (for example in ~/bin/) for that.

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      It’d be dangerous if an installed app claimed to be something like sudo or bash. Even if a mechanism was created for flatpak apps to claim a single shell command, there is no centralized authority on all flatpak apps to vet them. If there was for flathub, and each uploaded package was checked, that still leaves every other non-flathub flatpak repo which must implement the same vetting. Because there’s no way to guarantee to do it safely, and because flatpak devs are unwilling to compromise, this is just what we get.

      https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/1188

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        However in the same way, compromised flatpak app can also put a malicious .desktop file in ~/.share/applications, which also allows execution of arbitrary command, even outside of the flatpak sandbox.

        User home permission is just incredibly dangerous on linux, I think we need special permission to explicitly allow access to these folders in home. Fortunately more and more app starts to support portal, which makes them much more secure.

        Although, I do wish portal would have a edit per session vs edit forever option. For now if you open a folder through portal, the app was granted r/w permission to that folder forever.

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      Why can’t the installation create aliases like

      flatpak run jellyfin-media-player ? And then highlight conflicts during?

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        It would also be nice if it could alias to the normal command, for example, LibreOffice with CLI commands like lowriter or localc.

        Did you know you can evoke LibreOffice from the terminal to convert one file format to another? It can do what Pandoc does, but also works on old .doc files. Flatpak’s weird CLI behavior makes it difficult to use though.

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    Debian is so hecking unstable for me omg… For some reason it just doesn’t play well with any hardware setup I’ve ever tried.

    Anyways, I use arch Linux which could REALLY do with a nice wiki overhaul by now. It’s not beginner friendly AT ALL! Been using the same install for almost 3 years now I think, but man… When I have to figure out something, the wiki isn’t the first thing I’ll go anymore.

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      If Debian fails in the same predictable way every time, for the same reason, it could be argued that it’s very stable, just not functional :) What kind of hardware do you use by the way?

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        It fails to run after a few days on several different laptops I’ve tried it on. Also on my main computer which is an amd 3900x with 64gb ram and a 3090. Arch however works perfectly fine, which is odd as heck

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      The Arch Linux wiki has been the best source for information for a long time for me. Many years ago the Gentoo wiki was good as well, till they lost all content and had to start from scratch.

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      Downvote because i like the arch wiki very much and it was beginner friendly enough for me, tho (installed arch as a noob recently)

      (Well I did not really downvote to be honest, but if I did, that would be the reason)

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        Hm, weird. I tried following to wiki to fix some Bluetooth issues I had. It didn’t fix my issue and on top of that it’s all over the place.

        Man, I feel like some people treat the wiki as a hecking Bible omg…

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          Hmm… well… I don’t know, I just almost every time find my solution there and generally I just google xxx arch linux using DDGO. 💁🏻‍♀️ maybe it’s not for every kind of person 🤔

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      Idk about instability but in my experience it always required the highest amount of work to fix and set up (on very different machines) compared to other distros smh

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      NixOS with YaST support would indeed be an incredibly powerful setup. It would make the whole Nix ecosystem significantly more beginner friendly and even for someone who wants to be a poweruser. It would be really nice to have config options laid out for you in a UI. Most of the time I have to have the options search, and package search websites open because there’s no easy way to get those lists within the console.

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      What do you miss in NixOS (Unstable)?

      I think a declarative, atomic LTS distro (e.g. Alma) would be quite nice for business use.

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        I’ve been messing about with NixOS for the past 2 weeks or so. While I think I know enough to plug in the right text in the right spots to get a system configured I feel like I understand nothing about the nix language and the syntax is extremely unintuitive to me. If another distro offered declarative configuration as well as something like Nix’s options I would easily swap away from NixOS at this point.

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          I feel like I understand nothing about the nix language

          Pure lazy unityped lambda calculus, basically a lazy lisp with records instead of lists. Or a pure, lazy, lua.

          Pure is important because reproducibility, lazy is important to not have to evaluate all of nixpkgs before you can build anything, lambda calculus well it needs to be turing complete, support things like functions in in some way though TC is only used very, very very deep down in the system. They literally use the y-combinator to do recursion, like when bootstrapping stdenv.

          The syntax is unintuitive, yes, but aside from the semicolon cancer actually not that bad. My biggest gripe with the language is it not having a proper type system, like you put a list where a string is expected or the other way around and you get five screenfuls of backtrace through the whole evaluation stack and due to laziness the actual location of the error might not even be in there.

          A replacement is actually already in the pipeline.

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        I gather that not everything is compatible with nixOS, and it’s better as a server than for development or as a general OS.

        I didn’t know Alma was declarative.

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            It’s something we might see with the next EL release cycle. rpm-ostree has treefiles complete with the option for (experimental) lockfiles. There’s already config files for CentOS Stream to build CentOS Stream CoreOS, and those can be adapted for Alma. I think, atm, it’s more of an issue of general interest than technical limitations.

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          It may be ready, I haven’t tried their latest version. Most of the functionality was there, but it had some rough spots. I’ve been meaning to go back and try daily driving it again.