• Shadywack@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        To be clear, I’ve surrendered nothing to you whatsoever. My vote will be counted toward another candidate available to me on the ticket, just neither Trump nor Biden. That you intend to vote for genocide or fascism is something you are so gleeful to do. Enjoy.

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          7 months ago

          To be clear, thanks again for surrendering your choice to me.

          Honestly it’s kinda weird that you prefer genocide and fascism to genocide or fascism, so it really is best you let more rational people decide for you.

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            7 months ago

            To be clear, I’m voting productively instead of as a sheep. It’s not surrendering anything to you. If you are beholden to the two party system and fall into the trap of “keep the other guy out” instead of voting for someone in good conscience, that’s you being part of the problem.

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      So there’s this cool thing with math where you can factor out common values.

      So if we have fascism+genocide vs notfascism+genocide, and we factor out the support for Israel, we get fascism vs nonfascism.

      That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.

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        That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.

        Sure, but consider what you’re saying here, if we cannot use our votes to effect change then what are you proposing people do?

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          7 months ago

          Well, for one, vote for the only major party that MIGHT give a shit about Gaza or may be less gung-ho about supporting Israel, and for two, advocate in other ways. Organize protests, make calls to your representatives and senators, donate to charities that will assist the people of Gaza, etc.

          Keep in mind, Donald Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and doesn’t give a flying fuck about Gaza. He’s worse for Gaza than “Genocide Joe” is.

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            7 months ago

            Organize protests

            There have been protests about Biden sending arms to Israel. He continues to send arms to Israel. Politicians ignore protests.

            make calls to your representatives and senators

            People have called their representatives and senators objecting to sending arms to Israel. Arms continue to be sent to Israel.

            Clearly neither of these have worked. What else have you got?

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              7 months ago

              It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests. That’s now how the world works, unfortunately. Things take time.

              It’s terrible, I’m not in any way trying to downplay the genocide that is happening. But Israel and the US have been firm allies for a long time. Change won’t come quickly. And it won’t come at all if Trump is elected.

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                It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests.

                You’re the one who claimed protesting works. If it did we would see material changes resulting from protests. We don’t. Protests obviously don’t work.

                If your claim is “protests change policy decades later sometimes” then state that plainly.

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                  7 months ago

                  Protesting does work. It just doesn’t result in immediate change. Nothing results in immediate change. Expecting it to is childish.

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                    7 months ago

                    Protesting does work.

                    Ok then expand on this claim I know exactly what you mean. Be specific. Explain how we can know which protests will and won’t work and explain what time frame we can expect.