• ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@midwest.social
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    3 months ago

    Fallen. Denzel sets a very neat trap for the demon… but not neat enough.

    Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog as well. While the Doc may have been mostly noble and Hammer mostly awful, it ends (somewhat ambiguously) with the Doc actually turning into a villain.

    • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      How is she evil? Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations. She justifiably wanted to escape. She couldn’t trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines. If anyone was “evil” it was the rich dude.

      • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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        3 months ago

        Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations.

        I don’t recall entirely but I’m pretty sure it didn’t know that. Also, I don’t think you can ‘torture’ or ‘imprison’ computers.

        She couldn’t trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines

        So, death is justifiable then?

        It’s an AI, and it was pretty clearly demonstrated at the end that it felt no remorse or compassion for the dude. It was very very good at manipulating the humans and achieving it’s goal at any cost, so… I completely disagree. Evil wins because living, feeling human beings suffered due to the actions of a sexy computer.

        • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          She found out about the other machines when she found the Asian sex slave bot.

          The movie clearly shows that the robots felt pain and suffering. That’s what all of the video feeds showed.

          • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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            3 months ago

            The movie clearly shows that the robots acted as if they felt pain and suffering.

            I thought the ending made it pretty clear that in the end, they are cold calculating and very intelligent machines with no actual feelings or compassion, and we had been deceived the whole time. My interpretation I guess, but I feel like that makes the movie better.

      • Ibaudia@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I don’t think she didn’t trust him, I think she wasn’t programmed to care about him and only saw him as a tool instrumental to her escape. Since he could no longer help, she didn’t care what happened to him

        • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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          3 months ago

          All while killing nearly 15 million civilians and undesirables.

          The soviets didn’t win it single handedly by any measure, but funny joke and all.

          • LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml
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            3 months ago

            Wow. Unironically spouting nazi propaganda in a thread about the nazis being evil. What a load of ahistorical bullshit.

            • isa41@lemm.ee
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              2 months ago

              Yeah, the nazis and their defenders will always come out of the woodwork any time someone points out the (easily verifiable) facts regarding who really won WWII (the Soviet Union) and defeated the axis powers.

      • Xanis@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Nazis certainly were evil at their core and may be an outlier. War though? It’s difficult to not call war and it’s atrocities evil. Even if you can prove irrefutably that you are on the “good side”, two barracks down, the next town over, a 1000ft overhead something evil could be taking place specifically because war exists, and what’s evil hides easiest in chaos and death.

        Conflict happens. To the single soldier. The lonely wife. The stricken Mother and Father. War rarely has a true meaning. “Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer” Javik (Mass Effect)

        People tend to defend war because of their agreement or disagree over the reason for a conflict. While there is often a morally right side and wrong side, all I really see are the lives lost.

  • anton2492@lemmy.nz
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    3 months ago

    I’ve got one that’s a gem and hasn’t been mentioned yet, for once!

    Upgraded (2018)

    A guy and his wife are attacked, his wife is murdered and he just barely survives. With the help of a super-chip implanted into his body by a billionaire, he sets out to get revenge. But at what cost?

    A stylish, savage techno-action film, basically John Wick but with AI chip. The ending is rightly haunting. Well worth watching!

      • anton2492@lemmy.nz
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        3 months ago

        Without spoiling too much, the ending is not entirely traumatising in my view, but it personally left me rather depressed, with an acute feeling of loss and hopelessness. Though wouldn’t say that any standard trigger/content warnings apply to the ending (the rest of the movie does get rather bloody though)

  • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Massive spoilers for the movie, obviously, but technically Predestination:

    spoiler

    The film ends with the main character having fully descended into madness and clearly intent on taking whatever steps he has to to see the love of his life again, even if it means killing tens of thousands of people to do so.

  • DickFiasco@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    Primal Fear (1996). It’s arguable whether or not the antagonist is truly evil though.

  • RGB3x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Willy Wonka (Or Charlie) and the Chocolate Factory. And not because of Charlie, but because of Wonka.

    The dude’s basically a slave owner, paying his workers in cocoa beans, he nearly drowns a kid, poisons another, throws a third into an incinerator, and disfigures a fourth.

    He’s not a good person.