This only makes sense when I realize that to conservatives, it’s an identity. They think it’s an identity that Taylor Swift should have because she’s (presumably) white, popular, rich, good looking, Midwestern, Christian, etc.
To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or problem solving, or good governance. It’s all about identity.
hol up. you’re saying “being conservative” is an identity to these people like “being insufferably against anything conservative or R” ISN’T part of 90% of Lemmy Users Identity?
Finding you insufferable isn’t part of my identity, it’s just a fact that you are insufferable.
But but what about the other side!!!
Fuck off.
Let me guess. Being insufferably liberal is part of your identity. i’d wager it’s pretty much your personality and the only thing going for you.
If your mom knew you were saying these things… but the poor girl worked hard last night, so I’m going to let her keep sleeping.
No, you being thought insufferable has nothing to do with identity. At least, not anyone else’s identity. People are against conservatives and Republicans because they are massive hypocrites, racists, sexists, corrupt, thieves, transphobes, homophobes, and many other descriptors I don’t feel like mentioning.
P.S. Fascists as well. That’s a massive one I can’t believe I forgot.
There is no conservatism. It’s grifting and using identity politics to keep grifting. Everyone should be insufferable against grifting. It’s a big con. You’re being conned. Their figure head would be the poster child for everything they claim to hate if he decided to be a Democrat. East coast elitist, divorced, paid a porn star for sex, insults military heroes, checks off a laundry list of warning signs of the Antichrist. It’s downright comical.
You think any given political bloc isn’t mostly made up of people that think it’s an identity? If so, you’re lucky to not have run into it.
Frankly, most people stick with whatever they are raised with, and that’s that. There’s just as many blind, inherited democrats as republicans in the US. Most people don’t even understand the policy platform of their party, much less bother to challenge the correctness of it for themselves.
There aren’t two party platforms anymore. There’s one political party, and one cult. The cult doesn’t have policy. They make decisions to make the richest in the country richer, and keep their voting block scared over fabricated issues or issues they don’t care that much about. They had 12 years since 2002 to build a border wall, why is it always an issue? Is it because it’s just a grift to pay out construction companies? Maybe. They can’t win democratically so they go after votings rights and make sure the wrong people can’t vote. They exploit the very undemocratic nature of the electoral college and senate to hold a majority of the power with a minority of the overall popular vote. And when that all fails they don’t abandon their bastardized conservatism, they abandon democracy.
Alrighty then.
Gotta be real with you, it took several reads for this to not seem like someone ranting a conspiracy theory.
And it’s still a rant even after I figured out what you were on about. Which is fine! Rant awat, it’s a shitty situation for damn sure.
But you miss the point.
Here’s my rant :)
The point is that we’re mired in a two party system, and held there by the electoral method. The electoral college is whatever, but as long as it’s the whole first-past-the-post mechanism underlying it, it really doesn’t matter what the college does because nobody other than those two groups are getting in.
Which is what I’m complaining about. I’m sick of voting for the the lesser of two evils out of desperation. Whether you (or anyone) likes it or not, the DNC is only useful in comparison to the other party. Without the Republicans as a boogeyman, a supposed opposite rather than just the farthest right section, the democrats are still a bunch of capitalist assholes as whole. They’re still voting for shit in Congress that’s absurd, and they have been my entire life.
That the democrats are at least willing to give lip service to human rights is great, yay. But it isn’t like that’s been the case all along. They were just better than the “other” side.
Fuck the two party system, and fuck the electoral mechanism that allows it is what I’m saying.
It is what it is. The Democratic primaries are the real elections in my mind where you can vote for the person you like the best. In the general it’s about stopping the cult from gaining power and taking away more of our rights. I dislike people spreading apathy like they did in 2016, because we see the result. The cult can do whatever it wants and their members will still vote for them. Democrats are held to a much higher standard comparatively. Does it suck? Absolutely. It is what it is.
I’ve never seen someone with Republican values call themselves a Democrat.
I’ve seen a lot of people with Democratic values call themselves Republicans.
The higher the population moves up Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, the fewer conservatives in the population.
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You are just describing all Liberal ideologies (which modern conservatism is - I don’t mean liberal in the USA sense)… it’s all vibes and identity, it’s pure ideology without any material analysis. Things happen because of “ideas”.
I think the parentheticals are being lost on some.
Normally I’d take this chance to complain about liberals not being able to define liberal, but it’s more than a fair point these days that “conservatives” aren’t liberals anymore. They should be, to be “conservative” about the society they grew up in.
The modern American conservative now:
Hates liberals
Especially hates socialists
Rejects the idea of human rights
Rejects democracy
Wants to reestablish colonialism/strong imperialism
Wants an ethno state or theocracy
Is wildly nationalist and xenophobic
Anyone want to pipe in with what that actually makes them?
fascism is just neoliberalism on steroids.
conservatives put the neoliberal work ethic and hierarchical logic on a pedestal. its probably part of the reason tgey want dictators.
I don’t think so… people just don’t understand what I mean by liberal I guess. Not their fault, politics is totally fucked in the US.
Nah I understand what classically liberal means, it’s the rest of your comment that was nonsense.
American “conservatives” are actually radicals by this point.
Neoconservative is the better term here.
That’s putting it mildly.
Honestly, I understand what he means. She’s from a stupid rich family and grew up surrounded by country music influences. Statistically speaking, she probably would be a conservative.
The real identity politics were the Conservatives we met along the way.
I’ve heard this same thing said to me by Hitler humpers trying to recruit me based on what I look like, just because we’re blonde haired and blue eyed with fair skin does not make us want to be a part of their hateful bullshit.
“But you would be part of the in-group! So why don’t you help us make the out-groups life miserable?!”
Is there any tangible advantage to be in the ingroup? What’s that I have to give 10% of my income to the church? What’s that I have to donate money to a billionaire? What’s that I will literally die from treatable malidies?
Yayyyyy…
Anti racists come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. That’s kinda the fucking point actually.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Damn right.
It’s all they have, honestly. Poor pathetic things.
She likes whatever party makes her jet fuel cheaper.
It’s called gas lighting
Why are you watching that garbage in the first place?
So, I’m going to be that guy because it’s a pet peeve of mine.
It’s NOT called gas lighting. People like to throw that phrase around but it has one specific meaning, which has nothing to do with this situation.
Well, I guess it could have two meetings but the second one is literally lighting gas on fire.
Yeah, it is for when someone is literally trying to convince you that you are crazy, that things you know are true didn’t happen. Usually found in abusive relationships.
Fox isn’t convincing people they are crazy. They’re telling people everyone else is and they’re the only same ones, bolstering their confidence, and that drives a false narrative on its own
It’s called gas lamping… that’s our fun family joke when someone is clearly gaslighting…to correct them by gaslighting. I love my family
Well yeah, to them it’s a tribe instead of a moral failing
Right, and so many don’t seem to understand the difference between principles and affiliation. It’s why when they respond to allegations about Trump being associated with Epstein by saying Bill Clinton was too, they’re dumbfounded when liberals say, okay, he should be investigated too.
Generally, liberals are more likely to relate to things based on principles (e.g., people shouldn’t have sex with children, so we should investigate any credible allegations regardless of who they’re about). Conservatives are more likely to relate to things based on affiliation (e.g., I reject the allegations about that guy having sex with children because he’s on my team, but the guy on your team should be investigated). That’s why Al Franken isn’t in office anymore, even though he was more guilty of an appearance of wrongdoing more than actual wrongdoing.
To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or good governance. It’s all about identity.
Oh my god, I am stunned by the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here. So you think the right is obsessed with identity? Get the fuck out of here. I’ve seen the contempt the left has for any conservative minority. They feel entitled to black or female votes.
The “left identity” is wanting everyone to have healthcare and education to struggle less. The “right identity” is quite loudly screaming about hurting the people they don’t like.
“The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.”
There is no paradox. Tolerance is a social contract which includes the tolerant. If someone is intolerant, they break the contract and are therefore not included in it.
If you tolerate intolerance, intolerance will rule. It’s literally a paradox by definition.
In this thread: people screaming in agreement
If you equivocate about the meaning of tolerance you can justify some bad things.
Can you provide any examples of this? Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
Usually ‘tolerance’ is very poorly defined. Someone saying some vile shit? Time to physically attack them. So one intolerance is thought or speech, but the resulting intolerance is violence.
In some cases that’s fine, but people seem to think just saying “paradox of tolerance” is a tool that lets them strip others of their humanity without engaging in any actual ethical or philosophical discussion.
It’s words on the internet, though, so it’s not like most people will have a chance to actually test their poorly considered position, but they do end up saying some vile shit in defense of others at times.
I think you’re missing the point.
When someone is outwardly hateful toward others for things outside of their control (race, gender, ability), that’s generally viewed as intolerance.
Tolerance, is me recognizing you have the right to believe whatever you want, and letting you do so, as long as you’re not obstructing anyone else’s right to do the same.
The paradox is basically saying a negative reaction to a hateful behavior, is not itself hateful. Identity politics doesn’t agree, and makes those who identify as hateful (knowingly or not), feel hated.
Violence is a further escalation of things that the concept of tolerance inherently tries to avoid.
They feel entitled to black or female votes.
Lol, this reductionist shit is dumb no matter who does it. Fastest or not. Though
thenthem fastests really fucking love it.Are you trying to say fascist?
Trying?
Fastest or not. Though
thenthem fastests really fucking love it.They’re referring to this, I think. If you were typing via smartphone, your autocorrect done ducked you.
Not entitled, just surprised when people vote for anyone who openly hates them and wants to take away their rights.
