This only makes sense when I realize that to conservatives, it’s an identity. They think it’s an identity that Taylor Swift should have because she’s (presumably) white, popular, rich, good looking, Midwestern, Christian, etc.
To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or problem solving, or good governance. It’s all about identity.
Ms private jet is performatively liberal at best.
Yeah, but that seems in line with the Democratic party leadership.
Uh what? Since when is Taylor Swift a party leader?
What part of the sentence made you think that Taylor Swift is a democratic party leader?
If that’s not what you meant, then what part of that sentence is relevant to what I said?
They’re saying that the actual Democratic party leaders are equally performative.
…Yeah I got that. Why is it relevant?
… you sure you got that?
Taylor Swift is shadow majority leader in the Senate, it’s all part of the conspiracy yo.
Joking aside, I think what Shepherd meant was that Swift being performatively liberal made her more similar to Democratic party leadership than to any sort of conservatives.
You have an internet connection, so you’re performatively liberal at best too. You don’t even think about people that can’t afford an internet connection, how can you be on the left?
In fact everyone on the internet is performative. That’s what everything on here is, someone’s performance. You could be Jeff Bezos for all anyone knows.
LOL the idea that you should automatically be conservative because of wealth. They assume that everyone is just as selfish and unempathetic as they are.
I don’t think it’s exclusive to wealth.
The higher the population moves up Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, the fewer conservatives in the population.
Have you ever read I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup? If not, I suggest that you do.
Scott Siskind is probably not worth your time, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scott_Alexander#Race_and_IQ among other things.
You are just describing all Liberal ideologies (which modern conservatism is - I don’t mean liberal in the USA sense)… it’s all vibes and identity, it’s pure ideology without any material analysis. Things happen because of “ideas”.
I think the parentheticals are being lost on some.
Normally I’d take this chance to complain about liberals not being able to define liberal, but it’s more than a fair point these days that “conservatives” aren’t liberals anymore. They should be, to be “conservative” about the society they grew up in.
The modern American conservative now:
Hates liberals
Especially hates socialists
Rejects the idea of human rights
Rejects democracy
Wants to reestablish colonialism/strong imperialism
Wants an ethno state or theocracy
Is wildly nationalist and xenophobic
Anyone want to pipe in with what that actually makes them?
fascism is just neoliberalism on steroids.
conservatives put the neoliberal work ethic and hierarchical logic on a pedestal. its probably part of the reason tgey want dictators.
I don’t think so… people just don’t understand what I mean by liberal I guess. Not their fault, politics is totally fucked in the US.
Nah I understand what classically liberal means, it’s the rest of your comment that was nonsense.
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That’s putting it mildly.
Honestly, I understand what he means. She’s from a stupid rich family and grew up surrounded by country music influences. Statistically speaking, she probably would be a conservative.
The real identity politics were the Conservatives we met along the way.
I’ve heard this same thing said to me by Hitler humpers trying to recruit me based on what I look like, just because we’re blonde haired and blue eyed with fair skin does not make us want to be a part of their hateful bullshit.
Anti racists come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. That’s kinda the fucking point actually.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
“But you would be part of the in-group! So why don’t you help us make the out-groups life miserable?!”
Is there any tangible advantage to be in the ingroup? What’s that I have to give 10% of my income to the church? What’s that I have to donate money to a billionaire? What’s that I will literally die from treatable malidies?
Yayyyyy…
Damn right.
It’s all they have, honestly. Poor pathetic things.
She likes whatever party makes her jet fuel cheaper.
Biden: ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/biden-charlamagne-tha-god-you-aint-black/index.html
Fair enough…he said a goddamn stupid so let’s let a narcissistic Nazi who says much more horrific shit destroy the country so the ignorant masses can win against the non dip shit masses.
Let me throw a counterpoint at you:
Taylor Swift is a lady who has had to work really hard and became the top of her field, who works hard to stay in shape, whose entire love life has been filled with unmanly men leaving her unfulfilled until she started dating the ultimate alpha chad where they have a relatively standard supportive relationship, whose career has been about producing competently produced uncontroversial works of status quo work, and not to mention her extremely conventional hairstyles, clothing, and make-up.
I mean, all those things lean conservative and not solely due to identity per se.
You left out the part where her daddy bankrolled her entire early career. That said, she has worked hard.
Working hard and staying in shape is conservative? I am pretty sure “exercise” is liberal mumbo-jumbo.
It depends which worldview you take on, but things like hard work and staying in shape have been called “fascist” by a left wing that sees any form of self-improvement as counter-revolutionary.
It seems to me that I was reading The Republic a couple weeks ago and Plato 2500 years ago was talking about the need for people to stay in shape in the gymnasium (not the same thing as today, but still a place to hone your body) so there’s definitely precedent to call it conservative since it’s a value held since antiquity.
You have an incredibly inaccurate view of left wing politics. Leftists don’t have a problem with staying in shape or self improvement. They do have a problem with discrimination against those who can’t stay in shape. Leftists are not opposed to cochlear implants, this is laughably inaccurate. Leftists are the ones pushing for universal healthcare. Leftists want free college so people can improve themselves. They want workers to have more power, trade unions are full of some of the most hard working people in America. The only part about Taylor Swift that aligns with American conservatism is that she became incredibly rich by having rich banker parents fund her music career from a very young age.
You really should try to see what actual leftists are advocating, not some culture war garbled YouTube videos are telling you.
I’d say you have a pretty inaccurate view of left wing politics.
Which is understandable. There’s been a major shift in the past 15 years that really fundamentally changed the mainstream left.
You and I probably have similar political views in many ways, but when you stand in a stream, you don’t have to move for the water to pass you by.
Better open your eyes before it’s too late – you’ll get your bank account shut down for wrongthink.
No really, you are the one who has no idea what the left is advocating. I am very involved in leftist politics. If you agree with the things I said you are likely more aligned with the left than you think…
No idea what the bank account comment is about… sounds like some weird conspiracy theory stuff, really dawg lay off the utube videos
It was weird conspiracy theory stuff when the Liberals and NDP illegally invoked the emergencies act to shut down the bank accounts of people contributing to a peaceful protest.
I’ll lay off the conspiracy theory channels of… the house of commons video feed.
NDP
Are you talking about Canada?
Where are you getting your information from? Teenagers on TikTok or Tucker Carlson’s Twitter account?
I don’t think an idea just being old making it conservative is a good definition. I also think “left wing hates any self improvement” is a pretty wild one. Maybe it’s true of some sliver of people.
I don’t know, it’s really tough to say – If you’re reading old texts hoping to glean some wisdom, depending on the context that would definitely be conservative, but depending on the context it might not be. I was just talking about Wang Mang around 30AD, and he spent a lot of time digging up evidence of how imperial china was run 1000 years before he was born based on confuscian teachings from 500 years before he was born. On the other hand, at this point after 200 years of Marx you could claim marxism is conservative (and in fact Xi is really making a conservative maoist argument in his government right now hoping to return to the stricter times of his childhood)
Here’s an interesting video on the idea of the left hating self-improvement. I won’t claim it’s universal, but the argument is somewhat convincing in light of many things I’ve seen far removed from this particular video including stuff like opposing technologies like cochlear implants that would make a deaf person non-deaf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Vf-ry-3rg
Conservative does not mean old
YouTube videos by randos aren’t sources. Liberals are not against cochlear implants. Some in the deaf community are against them.
Leftists aren’t liberals.
The left was mostly aligned with liberalism some time ago, but they aren’t the same thing and now the two are mostly incompatible.
I know I mentioned this a few days ago but some anonymous person on reddit said something like this a few years ago:
They [implying white supremacists] are just mad she doesn’t want to be their blue eyed goddess spokesperson
