Hello! I’ve been searching for a reddit alternative, and yes, I’ve picked Lemmy and Raddle, but here’s the thing. My morbid curiosity is perked up, and a part of me wants to join the “free speech” alternatives, like Saidit, Poal, etc. What’s wrong with me that I want to join toxic places? I mean, yes I’ll find a whole new perspective (albeit wrong), on political topics, but a part of me wants to be the antagonist, and post lefty memes, and music with a left-leaning message (bands from r/rabm) I know that’s like kicking the hornet’s nest, so you don’t need to start in with “that’s a bad idea” I know it is. My main point/question is, is it wrong to join a site with potential hate speech? Does it make someone a bad person?

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    4 months ago

    I think it is generally a bad idea to support sites that promote hatred and fascist ideas by providing them traffic and content.

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    4 months ago

    I guess lots of people can relate to this on Tw(X)tter. After it was bought by mister X. it went downhill. Still a lot of left leaning people are on it with the idea to fight from within (or because they think “everyone is on it” or “important people are there”. Personally I think it is a lost cause and would leave as soon as possible. Apart from that do not underestimate how you can be influenced if you don’t do fact checking. A person I know told me year ago that they liked to read on a far right forum years (for fun or something) and is now like “yeah, I also think migration is a bit of problem”. Go figure :(

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    You can if you want. You’ll certainly find new perspectives however you will be unlikely to get any good discussion. If you go there to antagonize they will simply ban you as they don’t want lefty memes or left leaning messages.

    I don’t think being on the same platform as hate speech makes you a bad person. You’re only wasting your time and exposing your self to needless hate and toxicity.

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    part of me wants to be the antagonist, and post lefty memes, and music with a left-leaning message

    that can be this very instance on lemmy.ml or many many others right here, like hexbear, blahaj and such. its generally not worth your time to go to free-speech code-for-fascism sites because at best you will be banned. if you really wanna troll them, you wont be effective unless you organize.

    if you really want to be a masochist, go to 4chan or something, its where most of them probably are publicly.

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    It doesn’t make you a bad person but it’s not a healthy way to spend your time. It creates a feedback loop of finding things that upset you, ineffectually combating them, getting upset at the lack of positive results, and trying to fix that dissatisfaction by finding more things that upset you to fight against. You’ll think of it as a way to entertain yourself but, on balance, you’re the one getting the most stressed out by it.

    If you want to troll the far right, you’re better off trying to do that in spaces where other people can see you doing it because that has an actual possibility of affecting their behavior. Real life, for example.

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    Places that advertise themselves as being free speech

    • Expectation: You are free to say whatever you please
    • Reality: Oops! All CSAM/racism where you get banned on a hair
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      Also tracking protection in the browser to prevent reading browser history and such. Security and privacy practices are absolutely paramount if you’re planning on visiting services like that. Of course the best thing is to not visit them at all but some people feel they need to see it for themselves, if they choose they should be prepared and keep themselves safe.

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    No. Not only that it doesn’t make you a bad person. IMHO, it’s far more effective than being active here.

    Your not changing votes here. Sure some may say they won’t vote or they will vote third party. But like 95+% of lemmy is some version of left leaning. It’s basically a forum of people enjoying agreeing with each other (for the pillars, not the specifics). I don’t think there is anything wrong with that but imo your not making the world a better place.

    I would go as far as to say this is the biggest problem with polarization today. You can’t solve it without having some communication. Imo right leaning spaces are full of misguided anger that can be used for good.

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      I think you’re right that the anger is misguided. I also think it stems from trauma, but that’s just me. It’s like the old saying “hurt people hurt people” and right-wingers are a bunch of repressed, hurt people.

  • CyberSyndicalist [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    They are not really “free speech” sites, they are fascist sites. They will use your left wing posts as rhetorical proof of their openness until such a time that your antagonism gains any traction at which point they will promptly censor you as they do not really have any ideals. The game is rigged, post on a fascist site and you will be a tool for fascism.

    Lemmy was built explicitly in recognition of this fact for the master’s tool will never dismantle the master’s house.