In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn’t feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
I love all the comments saying “yeah well that stuff isn’t free someone has to maintain it”
YOU’RE PAYING 100K FOR A FUCKING CAR
That’s the payment. That’s what they get their money from.
Wanting more in perpetuity is fucking stupid no matter what the excuse is.
There’s also the fact that remote start, while shorter range, has existed on key fobs for like 20 years. My ex wife’s 2022 Hyundai has remote start, but only through the app, while my 2013 Focus has it on the key fob.
That’s honestly the only feature that’s bundled in those subscriptions that I really want, though the alarm notification is a nice to have.
I have a 22 kia with remote start. I also have the app (that costs the same as this post so I don’t pay either). The remote start sets the car to 72 with nothing else on. No way to change it via settings. Paying for the app remote start is the only way to do the defroster, heated seats, steering wheel, etc. It’s so fucking lame.
you should absolutely choose a vehicle without subscriptions, and make a point of stating it at time of purchase
this is your one moment to make a difference
Not until my 2007 Tundra literally collapses into a pile of rust and plastic. Hopefully it’s not too late by then.
The only problem with services as a subscription is THE FUCKING IDIOTS THAT PAY FOR THEM
If nobody fell for shit like that, manufacturers would drop it like boiling diarrhea
Should we finally buy an
Who is we?
Why are you buying a car in the first place?
get as many of the negatives of car ownership away from you.
I lease my Taycan. I do not want to pay for tyres or checkups. I do not want to pay in case the engine blows (not that it can, it’s electric but you get the gist).Dude you’re paying a mortgage payment to not even own a car. Pardon me if I don’t take your financial advice. Glad you’re doing well for yourself, but most people aren’t able to afford a Porsche.
It doesn’t have to be the car i drive. Cars have enormous loss of value. I’d rather have a new car every 3 of 5 Years and pay rent on it, than to have a car that i pay the same amount of money but i can trash it 10 years later or spend as much as a new car to keep it pristine.
For some, this subscription model is great. But do you agree, that is it a bad thing if they force it on us?
I don’t understand buying a car unless it is a shitbox for the track and putting a rollcage in.
I don’t understand why someone would want to rent their car. Maintenance is not that hard, and companies always make you pay way more for their subscription models. By owning the car, you can pick who does maintenance. Meaning there can be competition, so prices/quality remains good.
LMAO you want to switch your Battery yourself? And pay for it directly? And if something goes wrong pay even more? Firgure out what shop has fair prices and doesnt fuck you over?
No thanks, i’d rather have all my services included in my lease.
Even electric engines can still break and have issues
Yeah but i don’t have to worry about that because anything but negligence is of no interest to me and included in the lease.
And then you can’t use it when the temp is 0F because they decide to do some maintenance
Imagine your car need an updates or you don’t paying subscription fee or but the server are offline & you’re in emergency situation, and the worst of it your car won’t start without it OMG… that’s scarred me the hell out of it
Worth noting that these features appear to require your car to be connected to a cellular network. This isn’t the same as BMW charging a fee for heated seats.
They could have just put a SIM card in your car and required you to pay your cell phone provider for a connection.
I have something similar for my Subaru but it’s only 4 dollars a month.
It’s a fee I gladly pay to be able to start my car and set the interior climate from my phone. I imagine there’s some cost the access a network to have that functionality and I don’t see a problem paying for it.
The old style that started from a key fob required you to be a lot closer to the vehicle to start it. Right now I start it a few minutes before I leave my building a quarter of a mile away. I could start it from a different country if I wanted to. Needing to be within a few hundred feet would be pretty useless to me.
Yea… You are part of the damn problem
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You have already pay for it. Soon “cant turn Air on if you dont pay 1dll a month”
The crazy thing is that at the price you are paying for a friggin telluride they could easily raise the price by a few hundred (ie several years worth of subscription) and it would be unlikely to shift sales by much at all but would not piss off the buyers like this. You can’t put this crap on your car loan either. I really get the sense there is a conspiracy level concerted effort to try to indoctrinate generation Z into allowing every corporation they deal with to stick an IV into their bank accounts.
They intentionally didn’t roll the subscription into the sale price. That’s the goal. They want that sweet, predictable, monthly income that they sell their investors on.
They also figured that if you’ve found your car, you’re less likely to walk away for what is essentially a fraction of the car’s price.
I honestly hope the next car I buy has shit like this. Because boy am I going to make it my mission to jailbreak it and release my code open source.
They will just keep adding stuff to this and removing it feom the “free” tear
Soon, auto manufacturers will learn what happens when buying isn’t owning.
People will definitely download a car, or the crack for all its features.
Good luck trying to do that
Auto manufacturers are notorious for having terrible security. It’ll be a cakewalk for innovators.
Sure, start sharing what car has been hacked. Any? No? But autos have had computers for years, why havent they been hacked?
Are you just posting incorrect information to get someone to list all of the current vulnerabilities?Here you go.
Jeep Cherokee: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Volkswagen Group Cars: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-17738/Volkswagen.html?page=1&order=1&trc=2&sha=0a9d8cfebb47ff684cd74be5616ee6ca4ec210f6
SiriusXM (Connected Vehicle Service) (9 different brands): https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/3/23491259/sirius-xm-hack-remotely-unlock-start-cars
Thanks for the good laugh.
Lol, someone “hacked” a car so they can turn it off is not the same as building a whole OS for a car. Or are you exited about connecting to SirusXM ??
You wouldn’t download [the basic features of an item you already purchased.]
How is unlocking your car over the internet a basic feature?
Your oxygen subscription expires in 2 weeks. Please take note that absence of oxygen leads to hypoxia. Due to the detrimental effects of the war in Ukraine we have been forced to increase prices by 420%. Would you like to extend your subscription?
How is that related to unlocking your car from your phone?
Because the cost of the app to do that isn’t $60 a year.
No the cost of the Servers and the maintenance and the work required to have all that kept online and secure is.
Do you think admins and security guys work for free?I’ll refer you to unexpctedkeg’s comment
will refer to my already posted answer to that comment
Both are, or at least should be, ridiculous.
Yes, an app costs money. Yes, servers do cost money. But do they need to use servers? No. For example, self-hosting. Or just connecting the car to the cellular network (which they already do, mind you) and just let the phone talk to it directly, no manufacturer server required. Just pay an ISP for cell service and you’re set. Are there problems with such a solution security-wise? Yes. And while I’m not an expert in cybersecurity I think the risks are about the same for this and a server model.
Hell, they might not even use servers for anything other than checking if you’ve paid your subscription in order to lower costs already (as if a few thousand unlock requests a minute couldn’t be managed without a problem on a Raspberry Pi). They don’t need some huge, expensive and power-hungr supercomputer for that, so I don’t see a need for such a steep price.
Are the features useful? Absolutely. Would someone be willing to pay this price? Also absolutely. But the festures objectively don’t cost that much to maintain and competition should and could put an end to it.
It’s just corporate greed, and it feels to me as if we’re getting closer and closer to the fabled oxygen subscription, and we have to call manufacturers out on their bullshit while we still have air to breathe.
Just don’t buy their cars or at least their subscriptions. Get your car ‘jailbreaked’. What will they do, remote disable it? I think we’re still not that far down the dystopia plotline that a boycott couldn’t work.
You want to selfhost your own server that communicates with your car so you can ulock your car from your phone? Are you dumb? Do you want to lose your car in a week?
Delusional.
Why do I need to unlock my car over the internet? What is the use case over a FOB?
Nice strawman.
Dont get the subscription if youre fine with a fob.How is asking you a follow-up question a strawman exactly? What do you think a strawman is?
Because the question was answered in my original question. You don’t. That’s why it’s an additional subscription feature.
My question was why the guy claimed it was a basic feature when it never was.
And then you came along and asked “well hurr durr why do i need to unlock my car from my phone”
You don’t. So you don’t need the subscription. Done.That’s why it’s an additional subscription feature.
So why is it worth a subscription? You’re defending it as something that is not a basic feature that validates the subscription, but asking what the feature actually provides is somehow a strawman?
Oh you were seriously asking? It allows me to unlock the car from my couch when my wife wants to get something out the car real quick. Or i don’t wanna carry my keys around.
I can also start the A/C 30 minutes before i leave so i dont have to freeze to death in winter.
To find a car and control it remotely will need a server. That’s why it’s not free.
it looks like only way is to somehow imitate their API and change those links in the car. I think it would be cool to selfhost such server.
