Most of the other problems I mentioned are about being raised or growing together. So in your example, it probably would be mostly fine.

My main point is, what does it bring to try to make exceptions when the only exceptions that are not bad are very, very unlikely, and do not bring anything more than any other relationship would?

In your case, sure, the two sisters could get together, fine. But if they got together while knowing they are from the same family, it does raise a weird point, and if they did not know then fine. But how many offspring-free relationships between two people that didn’t know they were related, exist? How many of those last? I cannot imagine such a big proportion, so what is the point of making an exception, that on the other hand will bring in a lot of problems and creepy behaviours trying to fit in it.

This is also a weird case, because the problem with age difference is maturity, which is not measurable as of now. A 30 years old dating a 50 years old is weird, but less than a 20 years old dating a 40 years old, and yet all of these also can vary based on individuals. And most people wouldn’t see a problem with a 70 years old going with a 90 years old. That’s why it’s struggle to make well-defined laws about it.

For incest, once again, the problems are the norm, and then maybe you can find some exceptions. But why push it to be fine and allowed, when it doesn’t bring anything, again? It’s just opening for more issues to come, with no real benefit because incest is, in most cases rather than not, a problem.

And how do you prevent problems of offsprings, or of dominant position? Do you have to sterilize by force people in such relationships, after having them investigated to check that the relationship is actually consensual? Who would need to have sex with their relative so much that they would want to go through all this? That’s why I’m saying that it just feels like a lot of trouble and problems, for nothing good.

With the difference being that incest brings a lot of problems that other relationships don’t. Offsprings are one, I mentioned others, and I’m sure you could find more.

I mean, if you have a royal family, you’re asking for this shit

What can be good about it that a normal relationship cannot provide?

I can’t imagine a single answer. Thus, “nothing good about it” seems accurate.

I mean, homeschooling can definitely cause that kind of issue.

The difference being that there are good sides to it too, while there are no good sides coming from incest, and trying to equate the two seems a bit far fetched and incoherent.

It’s more of a question of what is healthy psychologically. Staying to close to one group socially makes a sort of echo chamber, and that’s always a problem.

And that’s what I mean with “weird shit”, things like racism are quite known to be increased in people that are not in contact with people of color for example. Echo chambers are generally bad, and I feel like this would create a very strong one (“us against the world” and whatnot)

DNA doesn’t matter when it comes to kids if you don’t have a background thought that is at least a bit problematic. It’s not about what matters to them only, but also about what is morally wrong. This “DNA is everything” thing is extremely toxic

I mean, when you see most programmers, you want to believe it :)

Yeah, because no one racist ever tried to mix the concept of ancestry and geographical origin to imply the existence of races.

I did not call you racist, I was on the contrary pointing out that the only thing that can make it controversial is the wording.

My point was, this is not a controversial take, but phrased badly it can sound like one, which is probably the reason people would end up calling you racist. Not because what you say (and especially what you mean) is racist, but because it can sound like a red flag.

And I totally agree with the fact that the origin changes nothing to humans, or to racism, because nothing will ever prove racism to be right scientifically. I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just commenting on the “controversial” aspect.

If the two individuals aged for a significant part of their lives together, offsprings are not the only “harm”.

Forming relationships with people that are different (as in, not relatives) helps avoid the bad parts of the family structure (the weird beliefs, opinions, behaviours, etc, that are taught within a family but are not accepted outside of it). Without that, you can end up with something that seems like “cultural inbreeding” where the weirdness persists and grows, until it reaches weird shit.

On a side note

Arguably a similar effect already happens in western countries thanks to xenophobia, and that’s why you have people that care so much about transmitting their DNA and having their own biological kids as if it mattered. This is just the remnants of a deeply racist culture that believes that you need to preserve your family line, and with it, your DNA. If people were mixing more with other cultures and origins, this would seem much more absurd.

I mean, it would be much less controversial to say “I believe that there are many unknown about the geographical origins of humans” and “our ancestors were not from Africa” (not exactly what you said, but exaggerated for clarity).

One sounds like a generic question about prehistoric times, the other sounds like a racially charged propaganda piece.

Sometimes things are about wording.

Perceived complexity*

The question is more “considering the state of the world and the reality of computer programming job, should I consider becoming programmer” and the answer is no.

This is absurd.

This is like saying that if nazi propaganda becomes the main selling point of web browsers, then firefox should add it just to stay relevant.

The advantage of firefox is (was) that it takes a stance instead of blindly following market trends. Following AI, no matter how immoral and damaging it is, just to avoid a hypothetical loss, is absolute bullshit.

They are doing it because they lost the will to take a stance, and this is what is killing them. Straying away from the opensouce, privacy centric stance is costing them their user base, and people who weren’t wanting such a stance are not going to move away from their usual browser with AI and whatever.

It’s exactly the thing that leftist parties do when they try to appeal to the nazis, they just get buried in their own stupidity.

Why do you think firefox-based browsers are getting more and more popular? It’s because they bring back firefox where it should be, because no one with enough brain to want to use firefox, wants a firefox with data collection and AI slop.

Unless it becomes very illegal to make hostile bots (which will never happen), the internet will be something only accessible through IDs and biometrics.

Hell, if you will.

Reason on its own doesn’t bring enough to the table. Without critical thinking (and even with it) reason can lead to any conclusion.

If the data you reason on is flawed (and it is for everyone) then you’ll end up with wrong conclusions no matter how reasonable you are.

Dude.

It’s a story that basically says “nowadays women accuse you of rape for no reason so you should never help them”

The ones who wrote, believed and relayed this story are just sexual assaulters, nice guys and incels. Of course it’s fake.

1. Ask what was the purpose of the code
2. Delete all the slop crap
3. Make the code from scratch

To not sound like a creepy old guy, start by not being one.

“Attractive woman. 30-ish”

“Nice lady”

“pretty distracting”

“Continue eyes up!”

Like wtf, you are being so creepy about a fucking zipper! Even as I’m writing that I feel like your first defense would be something creepy like “I’m just a man, I can’t help feeling like that” or similar.

Man, it’s just a random person with a zipper open. She wasn’t flirting. If you were happily married you wouldn’t go drooling as soon as you see a woman with a zipper open just because she’s younger and “attractive” as if she’s nothing but a piece of meat.

You wouldn’t have felt so awkward if she was “ugly”, older, or a man; it’s quite clear from your description. The reason for that is that you are a creepy old dude.

And now all the sex obsessed creeps that feel targeted are going to downvote this because they feel offended.