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This is a straight up childish answer. It’s basically “boooo! you dumb!”, what is that? Are you incapable of having a civil argument or do you simply refuse to have one?

Have I said anything irrational or hateful or incomprehensible?

What? What gives you the right to judge people you don’t know like that? You’re literally just trying to shame me into silence, you have not said a single rational thing to me, you have not met the argument, you are arguing in a thoroughly disingenuous matter because you seem incapable of interacting with people in any other way, it’s pure domination tactics and base rhetoric very much like that that is seen on the far right.

This is not a dick measuring contest. It’s a forum. For the exchange of ideas.

This is just straight up immature behavior on your part. Please try and be civil.

I mean this is ridiculous. You are basically just trying to shame me into silence because you cannot express yourself in any other way. What is that? Do you have any statement at all?

I have been nothing but calm and courteous, and you came in here and literally haven’t expressed a single cogent rational thought, only emotional outrage and dismissal.

Is that fair?

Ok. Do you have an argument you would like to discuss or is it just name calling today?

Do you agree that there are people who lie, or make up things for attention, or are wrong about their beliefs?

It’s funny how it always devolves into name calling and domination tactics instead of actual argument. That only proves that this is not really about gender and equality, it’s about using moral condemnation as a weapon to dominate others. It’s very reminiscent of how fascists operate.

Do you have any kind of actual argument you would like to discuss?

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Can’t you? People literally do that. I truly don’t understand this game.

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their own assessment of their sense of self will always be the most accurate barometer to go by.

Does this claim extend to people who are schizophrenic?

Isn’t there an explicit bias in your statement? I think it’s kind of relevant that the vast, vast majority of humans don’t even consider this stuff, because they take no issue with accepting that they are men or women. Is that wrong? Are people wrong to think that it’s ok to just be what you are? I genuinely don’t get it.

By far, by every metric, people are divided into men and women. There are rare exclusions, and those people should be treated just as well as everybody else. It doesn’t matter who they love or what they identify as. They are humans as every human, but it’s bizarre to demand that the totality of humanity abandon their intuitive instincts about masculinity and femininity.

I mean by your own argument, surely normal “CIS” people (whatever that means, I genuinely don’t know, I don’t keep up with ideological abbreviations) also have a right to be heterosexual women and men. Are they not allowed to believe what people have believed for literally millions of years? I find that offensive. I extend you the courtesy to believe to be whoever you wish, and I acquiesce. Surely you should be able to do the same, otherwise you’re just dictating your beliefs and demanding everybody accepts whatever it is that you say.

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Thank you. I thought I was alone. Like, I’m not trying to be an asshole, but you’re kind of demanding a lot of a broken drunk brain that doesn’t give a shit, I’ve got problems of my own…

Can’t fucking believe someone downvoted us for speaking our mind. No worries, I’m used to it. Get a lot worse on the street, just bizarre how disconnected from reality some people are.

Yeah, lots of alcoholics. I mean lots of drugs overall. A lot of the times it’s the reason we become homeless. A lot of the rest of the time we become addicts after becoming homeless. You hang out with the same people day in day out, and it becomes like kind of a fraternity. In some weird way it’s more honest than “housed society”. It’s like, it reminded me a lot of the army in a way. You’re constantly on your feet, constantly working, constantly hustling, constantly hungry, constantly fighting, constantly on edge, right? And just like in the army you quickly grow tight knit connections with people, because you go through the same fucking struggle every day, not necessarily together, but sometimes, but in any case, at the end of the day, there’s no pretention, there’s no grandstanding, we’re all a bunch of dirty old bums scrounging for food in trash cans, there’s no room for formalities if you catch my drift.

You ever been homeless? It’s… A humbling experience. A valuable one. Sure as fuck makes you appreciate everything around you a lot more, and sure as fuck makes you realize just how little you actually need to survive, and how bountiful society actually is, and how fighting for survival awakes deep primal instincts in you that you didn’t know you had.

Sorry for rambling, just happened I suppose. Peace.

I hear “the social contract has been ripped in half”.

I don’t think about it. I don’t understand the question, honestly. I see people as men or women, short or tall, blue eyed or brown eyed, they come they go. It’s not important to me how they see themselves, it doesn’t interfere with my daily business or interactions with people, I try my best to treat everybody with respect and mind my own business. They can think they’re the Queen of England for all I care.

Huh. I was going to write my own reply but I will defer to your argument, it perfectly encapsulates how I see it too, no notes.

I think it is a very topical argument- mind you I am genuinely not taking a position, I am exploring the logical consequences of the argument. There are pitfalls in the line or reasoning going on the argument that they are making. This is how philosophical discourse works. It’s how arguments and logic works. Being emotional about it is fine, but it’s not conducive to exploring the consequences of the argument.

The reason incest is frowned upon and often illegal is because of the danger it poses to any potential offspring.

The purely hypothetical counter argument here would be that what constitutes a “defect” or “danger” is highly subjective and prone to abuse. Where do we draw the line? Either there is no line and anyone can freely breed offspring, or we are in dangerous territory where we are determining which qualities we as a society deem “unwanted”. What do we mean by “defect”? What do we mean by “unwanted”?

At a population scale, genetic diversity is critical to survival of a population, and a collapse of genetic diversity through too much inbreeding tends to lead to a very unhealthy population

Well that is an argument from utility. Who is to say that people must subject themselves to the “critical survival of a population”? What if people don’t care? If they refused to, what would we do? Force them not to breed, by, say sterilizing them? Surely you see the issue here.

That’s ok. You don’t have to like what other people think. I don’t always like what other people think either. But it’s good to challenge and think through ones positions, I think everyone benefits from that. I think it’s critical, in fact.

(great thread BTW!)