Without a majority in both chambers it seems like we’re fucked
We literally just had that…
For two years…
And we’re still fucked because instead of voting for someone that would accomplish stuff, we banded together around Joe Biden.
And got “not trump” but none of what we actually want either.
Which brings us full circle to why Biden might not get enough votes to stop trump in 2024.
You’re missing the context…
They’ve been saying they don’t need to abide by the will of the voters because they’re a private party.
And they’re right
So when they say they can’t use their power to give voters want they want because they’re impartial…
It’s obviously bullshit.
They’re going to do what they want
Dozens of states
Great.
Literally and unrioncislly great
But we’re talking about the federal government, not states…
You’re also ignoring that the reason we need a supermajority, is Dems won’t get rid of the fillibuster.
A cynic would say because that removes their best excuse for why they can’t do what their voters want.
Nobody can fight them right now though
Voters don’t expect everything to get fixed overnight
We expect the people we elect to fight for progress, even if they lose.
It’s a very low bar that the DNC isn’t meeting.
I didn’t like the comparison either.
Alfred is a fine man, and would probably be a damn good president.
OP made that comparison
See how much has changed?
You can’t just insist anyone that asks for more than Biden is a trump supporter.
You’re not trying to stop trump, you’re trying to bully people into supporting your candidate.
That doesn’t work.
Like. Historically those kind of campaigns lead to Republican presidents. I’m not saying it won’t work right here with me, I’m saying it’s not going to work on enough voters to stop trump. Just like it didn’t in 2016, and barely worked in 2020 before Biden was unapologetically supporting a genocide and being sued by the ACLU.
Dem voters vote more for someone they want than against something they don’t want.
It’s basic human psychology.
You don’t want to hear the best way to beat Trump, you want to start slap fights and screech at people until they vote for who you want.
Seriously, just take the L.
At this point with all the personal attacks, it really feels like you’re trying to bait me into banning you.
What others?
Because you still haven’t linked a single one where I say anything other than it’s not too late to not run Biden.
Honestly tho, this is getting real close to personal harassment and youve been repeatedly misrepresenting what others say
Just chill out and start following Lemmy.world’s civility rules.
Hell, you even left out part of the quote so it looks like I didn’t answer:
I hate how people phrase that like anyone saying Biden is a stupid risk, are just saying that because they have a favorite candidate…
Anyone that’s not pro-genocide, is pro-worker, and not trump would have a walkin victory.
You asked for one specific person, so AOC has the best chance to stop trump in my opinion.
She’s young, charismatic, a great public speaker, and can flip red states like Obama in 08 due to those traits.
You linked a comment where I said:
Except the Dems convention hasn’t happened yet and there’s still plenty of time to hire Batman a great butler who’s still capable…
Joker only has a chance if we run Alfred and he loses. We don’t have to run Alfred.
So if you want to do everything you can to stop Joker, Alfred needs to step aside and endorse his replacement
That is not at all what you’re saying it is.
Please try to keep it civil and not blatantly lie about what others have said.
Right
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison, it’s very very unlikely that Jamie Harrison nominates anyone else. And if he does, it will be another moderate that names Jamie Harrison head of the DNC again.
Because the people running the DNC care more about personal political power than stopping trump.
Just like the problem with republicans isn’t just trump, it’s the people behind the scenes that also need addressed.
The problem with the DNC isn’t just Biden, it’s the people Biden put in charge of the DNC.
The party can’t survive without the voters, we’re the important part.
If the DNC refuses to acknowledge that, it won’t be the first time voters left a party behind to die without them.
At a certain point the corruption is bad enough we need to start over. It won’t be easy, but at a certain point it’s the only option.
That defeatist attitude is why the DNC keeps trying to cram more conservative candidates than the people want down America’s throat.
Like, if the most progressive candidates we get are past 70 and against progress…
Yeah. We’re not going to make progress even when we beat the fascists.
Its hard to blame anyone for the lack of progress except the people fighting progress…
It’s like choosing between Taco Bell and McDonald’s for dinner and then acting surprised we didn’t get a steak.
If we want steak, we gotta order from somewhere that at least has a chance of delivering a steak to the table.
It doesn’t mean steak is impossible, just impossible if we keep ordering from the same shitty fast food places.
The problem is one party plans decades ahead of time to bring fascism back to America…
And the only other option refuses to plan past getting elected.
Hell, the whole nation united under Biden to beat Trump, and as soon as Biden got in office (with house and Senate majorities) he spent two years "looking into’ what he could do.
We can’t half ass the fight against fascism and expect to make progress long term.
We need to do more to stop this than just block trump from office for four years to stall.
We need Dems that will actually fight against it and can plan more than one election ahead of time.
Even when trump is dead and buried the people who came up with this plan and fund it are still going to be there, and will keep trying.
Moderates want us to only focus on current elections while Republican extremists plan decades ahead of time.
What is being done to fight them isn’t enough.
For one, Biden would have to willingly give up the nomination in order to release delegates already pledged to him.
Factually not true…
The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.
As their lawyers have told judges, they’re a private organization that can name anyone as the candidate. That was their defense for accusations that they already rig primaries.
A second problem is the public doesn’t know any other Democrat nearly as well as they know Biden, and it would be difficult to introduce someone to the public at this late date without them being defined by Donald Trump, the Republicans and Fox News in the worst possible ways.
Literally anyone that becomes the Dem nominee will have nationwide name recognition in 24 hours.
The most common reason for voting Biden is “to stop trump” so any replacement shares the most important quality Dem voters want that Biden actually meets.
Like, sure, this would have been so much easier if we had an actual primary and the people closest to Biden hadn’t spent four years hiding him and lying about his mental capabilities. But they didn’t. They kept repeating it was too late for anyone except Biden.
They’re still saying it, but it’s still not true.
Wouldn’t they benefit from more people?
The wealthy win when there’s more workers than work.
Historically the greatest gains in workers rights and the times we make the most gains against wealth inequality is when there isn’t a surplus of workers.
Can you provide a quote from the article
So you want a quote from the article titled:
Elect Joe Biden America
That has a byline of the entire Times editorial board …
To show they the Times endorsed Biden last election?
Are you sure the headline isn’t enough?
He was not endorsed in the primary.
He was endorsed in the general in 2020.
Biden didn’t win be a lot by 2020. But he has a habit of telling anyone that doesn’t support him 100% that he doesn’t need them
I thought it was a pretty obvious issue.
Edit:
I mean. He’s responding to criticism he might not be able to win the general, are you saying he was talking about the primary?
Is this just him getting confused again?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/opinion/joe-biden-2020-nytimes-endorsement.html
Why wouldn’t Daily Beast check first before reporting he said this?
He didn’t get endorsed in the primary, but did in the general.
Because he obviously won’t.
Exactly.
No one is talking about trump doing the selfless thing, because it’s not going to happen.
But Biden is supposed to be better than trump.
And unlike trump, Biden isn’t facing prison if he doesn’t personally win. He’s just trying to stop trump, but so are lots of other people. So shouldn’t we let the person with the best chances go?
Like, if you had a game winning free throw, and any player can take it, are you putting Shaq up there or Michael Jordan?
Like, Rudy is a great movie, and America loves to root for the underdog. But you don’t put him in on the last play of the Super Bowl.
You put your best players in. And Biden and his team in the DNC are obviously not our best people. They can step aside now, or after they lose and let trump back in the White House.
A lot of them are just voting against Biden…
So yeah, it’s kind of the same.
Both candidates have very loud but small groups of feverant supporters.
Most Americans think they’re voting for the lesser of two evils. They just disagree on who’s worse.
I saw a poll a month or two ago where no matter which one won, about 2/3s of the country will be unhappy about it. Not sure how much it’s changed since.
The DNC keeps saying it up to Biden…
Which is the exact opposite of what their lawyers have spent the last decade saying
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dnc-lawyer-reportedly-said-they-could-have-chosen-between-clinton-sanders-over-cigars-in-back-rooms/
The DNC can say Biden isn’t the best shot at beating trump, so they’re not going with Biden.
They just don’t want to.
They only want to pull the party right, never left.
Even if that means republicans win.
But this isnt just a “deeply personal and familial decision” it’s the fucking future of our country and it’s more important than Joe Biden