Most of my friends are in tech, and I think one of them would enjoy hosting their own services if they got into it. Currently, I do most of our hosting, from media servers to game servers, but I think the hardest part is to give people an enticement to host.
For example, maybe they saw the lights automatically come on through the use of home automation like Home Assistant or maybe they wanted to control their own music library.
I think the idea of managing your own hardware and services doesn’t become enjoyable until you’ve already seen the outcome, such as having a resource or service available to you that you didn’t before. When I first got into selfhosting, I also had the problem with identifying what I wanted to host.
How do/did you get your friends interested in selfhosting? What services did they look into hosting themselves?
I’m not going to force someone into a hobby they aren’t interested in, I’m just curious how people brought the conversation up.
Thanks.
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Why would you try? Are you saying proselytizing is something people should be into? I would hard disagree. It’s not for everyone, and it’s more specific to a subset of people who have time to bother.
Exactly. Just like any other kind of proselytizing, it’s better to just live by example and answer questions as they come. For example:
- personal finance - manage finances properly, and people will notice that you’re not stressed about money
- religion/philosophy - live a worthwhile life and demonstrate the value it brings to your life
- products - use them and mention them when relevant (e.g. my coworker loves their Remarkable and shills it at every opportunity)
People aren’t going to change their behavior because you’re pushing something on them, they’ll change their behavior if they see something they want more than what they have. I think more people should self-host, but I don’t get anything from others switching, nor do I have much control over them deciding to switch.
Good perspective, thanks.
That’s fair. I’m making the comparison to other hobbies. If someone is not interested in roller skating, but decides to try it out because one of their friends really likes it and invites them, they may find they enjoy it… or not, which in that case they won’t go again, which is fine. Alternatively, they find a new hobby they enjoy, and selfhosting could give skills that turn into a potential career, but that’s if they really enjoy it. I don’t think it’s uncommon for friend groups to have outsiders (me) and “force” them into trying new things, but maybe my comparison doesn’t hold up here as this is a bit less about socializing.
I personally don’t find that many people are approaching me saying something like “Hey, you should be into this thing because it’s to your benefit”. That’s what insane US Christians do.
If someone mentioned a concern they were having with publicly available services, and I happened to have a self-hosted version of an alternative ready to discuss, sure.
By no means would I ever be out there trying to tell people “THIS IS BETTER. DONT YOU GET IT???”, which is where you sound like you’re coming from. It’s also not a “hobby” and it takes a lot of skill and effort to not take an INSANE amount of time for people who aren’t familiar. If you want to be tech support for a bunch of people, sure, go for it.
Totally unnecessary though.
You’re right, thanks.
more specific to a subset of people who have time to bother
And that subset of people needs to have at least some kind of mindset to learn the viable minimum skills to even start with and a will to learn more and more and more. I’ve done various kinds of hosting as a career for couple of decades and as things change I’m fighting myself if it’s worth my time and effort to keep my home services running or should I just throw money to google/apple/microsoft/whoever to store my stuff and manage my IOT stuff and throw the hardware into recycling bin.
I have the skill set required for whatever my home network might need up to a point that I could somewhat easily host a small village from my home (money is of course a barrier after a certain point), but I find myself more and more often thinking if it’s worth the effort. My Z-wave setup needs some TLC as something isn’t playing nicely and it causes all kinds of problems with my automations, my wifi network could use a couple of sockets on the walls to work better, I should replace my NVR with something open source to include couple of more cameras around the yard and have better movement recognition and cameras should go to their own VLAN and so on.
Most of that stuff is pretty basic to set up and configure (well, that z-wave network is a bit of it’s own thing to manage) and it would actually be pretty nice to have all the things working as they should and expand on what I have to make my everyday life even more simpler than it already is. But as there’s a ton of things going on in life I just rather spend few hours gaming from my sofa than tinker with something.
That’s of course just me, if you get your reward and enjoyement on your network then good for you. Personally I think I’ll keep various things running around, but right now in this place I’m at, the self hosting, home network and automation and all that is more of a chore than a hobby. And I’m pretty sure I don’t like it.
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Can I be your friend?
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Honestly - don’t. Not unless you intend to be their 24/7 tech support…
You have friends? What’s that like?
I’d offer to be your friend, but how dare you use ${DISTRO1} when ${DISTRO2} is clearly the better choice!
Also, last week you asked a question that someone else on the internet previously asked. You monster!
I can only be friends with people who use Arch (btw).
I use NixOS, so your first comment is totally 100% invalid.
You really don’t
Find a problem they are experiencing and introduce them to a solution they can self-host to fix it. Expand from there.
I began my self-hosting journey 7ish years ago with media piracy and a desire to watch/access my files wherever I was. Learned of Plex, then Emby, Reverse Proxies, Domains, SSL, and on and on…
Today I’m running 24+ docker containers and some miscellaneous stuff, across 3 systems; that’s always accessible via my domain/vpn.
Bro I can’t finish getting myself into it
Eh, I haven’t convinced anyone, but I have gotten questions from my brothers about it. They don’t come over often, but I’ve done a lot of work on my self-hosted setup, so I’ll probably show it off at our next reunion (next summer).
My brothers both want to host video, and they’ve asked about ripping DVDs/Blurays. I’ve now finished ripping my entire collection (took a few weeks), so now I’m more well-equipped to answer questions.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters NVR Network Video Recorder (generally for CCTV) Plex Brand of media server package SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
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I wish I had a friend who could just be there while I tried to get it set up. Honestly, I’d peroxide pizza, beer, and video games just so I don’t collapse in a mess of confusion and self doubt when something goes wrong. I don’t mind doing the work, but I don’t know if I have the patience to figure it all out.
