You could almost say that after 20 years the standard of progressive changed?
Dont tell Pelosi or Biden, they still thinking the standard isn’t open racism, because that’s what it was in the 60s.
But yes, AOC is more progressive in 2024 than Obama in 2004.
But so is fucking society.
If you want the Dem party in 2024 to be the same it was in 2004, that’s like if in 2004 you wanted 1984.
If that’s what you want, go be a conservative and drag them to the middle.
Stop fighting progress because you don’t want it that far. The bigger danger is going too far right. So for fucks sake be honest about your political identity and go moderate the Republican party instead of ruining the only other option.
There are a whole lot of assumptions in this comment. I don’t want a less progressive candidate than AOC. I want a more progressive candidate, but I want one who is going to win. A woman, POC, New Yorker isn’t it, as much as I wish it was.
I also don’t agree that society is more progressive since Obama’s presidency. More tolerant of certain things, sure. But more likely to vote for progressive economic policies? I don’t think so.
As the boomers and older Gen X start to die off, things will slide left. But AOC 2028? Give me a break.
What people care about is not always what they vote for, and what people say they care about is another thing entirely.
I’ll leave you with this: I want to be proved wrong and champagne is on me if I am. I just don’t believe in Americans enough to believe that we as a whole are going to effect real change.
She’s a real feisty one who’s only willing to go so far into being “corporate.” With the inevitable loss of Bernie, she will become the most recognized face of progressives in Congress. Her sharp tongue and wit, combined with an excellent ability to get her points made succinctly would serve her well in any attempt to run. She’s more lively and personable than Harris ever was.
I’d say she has an excellent shot at the White House if she so chooses.
She’s also brown, a liberal, and from New York. Even if she had the cure for cancer White America would rather crucify themselves than let her become president.
See, this is why I don’t buy the “Harris lost because she’s a woman of color” crap. Centrists don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, and it has the added bonus of being an excuse to shut out AOC.
She didn’t, we know why she lost. The number one issue in polling was the economy and she didn’t convince people she was better on the issue. It turns out that saying nothing will change while homelessness is at a record high (since the Great Depression), and groceries have double or tripled in prices in a couple years is not a winning message with the working class.
I didn’t say AOC wasn’t the best person for the job, only that she won’t win. If I had a better answer, I would gladly offer it up. That said, I’ll keep voting as progressive as i can.
I wish people would stop saying this. She would lose. I like her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she is not going to be president.
That’s what they would have said about Obama in 2004 if anyone knew his name back then…
AOC could, should, and hopefully will run
That would be awesome. If elected, she would be the first president younger than me. And since she’s undoubtedly smarter than I am, I’m cool with it.
It’s insane how fast they normalized geriatric candidates who both clearly had issues.
The only two presidents over 70 on inauguration day is trump at 70 and Biden at 78, now it’s gonna be trump at 78 again.
Bill was 46, Obama was 47, even GW was 54.
This is a very recent development and everyone’s already acting like anything under 85 is fine
It’s fucking insane to me. Just a complete rejection of reality
This was practically a different country in 2004/2008 and let’s not pretend Obama and AOC are close on the political spectrum.
You could almost say that after 20 years the standard of progressive changed?
Dont tell Pelosi or Biden, they still thinking the standard isn’t open racism, because that’s what it was in the 60s.
But yes, AOC is more progressive in 2024 than Obama in 2004.
But so is fucking society.
If you want the Dem party in 2024 to be the same it was in 2004, that’s like if in 2004 you wanted 1984.
If that’s what you want, go be a conservative and drag them to the middle.
Stop fighting progress because you don’t want it that far. The bigger danger is going too far right. So for fucks sake be honest about your political identity and go moderate the Republican party instead of ruining the only other option.
There are a whole lot of assumptions in this comment. I don’t want a less progressive candidate than AOC. I want a more progressive candidate, but I want one who is going to win. A woman, POC, New Yorker isn’t it, as much as I wish it was.
I also don’t agree that society is more progressive since Obama’s presidency. More tolerant of certain things, sure. But more likely to vote for progressive economic policies? I don’t think so.
As the boomers and older Gen X start to die off, things will slide left. But AOC 2028? Give me a break.
So, that’s your opinion…
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/29/americans-top-policy-priority-for-2024-strengthening-the-economy/
That says 5 out of the top 6 policy positions are progressive economic policy…
All over 60% support.
So like, you’re entitled to your opinion, but statistical analysis is still a science and I’m going with science this time.
What people care about is not always what they vote for, and what people say they care about is another thing entirely.
I’ll leave you with this: I want to be proved wrong and champagne is on me if I am. I just don’t believe in Americans enough to believe that we as a whole are going to effect real change.
I’m going to stop trying, though.
We don’t know because the DNC won’t stay out of primaries or let a progressive into the general.
Stop acting like why trump won is a mystery, we can’t afford to miss the obvious solution
She’s a real feisty one who’s only willing to go so far into being “corporate.” With the inevitable loss of Bernie, she will become the most recognized face of progressives in Congress. Her sharp tongue and wit, combined with an excellent ability to get her points made succinctly would serve her well in any attempt to run. She’s more lively and personable than Harris ever was.
I’d say she has an excellent shot at the White House if she so chooses.
Why would she lose?
The normies would project whatever fantasy they want onto her, and she’s hot so it could be positive delusions.
I mean, there is no way she would get through the primaries. The party would disband before running a progressive for president.
Everyone says that can’t happen until it happens. We’re getting very close to the era of millennial dominance
She’s also brown, a liberal, and from New York. Even if she had the cure for cancer White America would rather crucify themselves than let her become president.
See, this is why I don’t buy the “Harris lost because she’s a woman of color” crap. Centrists don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, and it has the added bonus of being an excuse to shut out AOC.
She didn’t, we know why she lost. The number one issue in polling was the economy and she didn’t convince people she was better on the issue. It turns out that saying nothing will change while homelessness is at a record high (since the Great Depression), and groceries have double or tripled in prices in a couple years is not a winning message with the working class.
Well, now we’ll all get to find out what happens when someone fucks it up as hard as possible instead of just doing nothing.
Do tell. Which dull advocate for an untenable status quo should we run instead?
I’m not them and I’d happily campaign my ass off for AOC, but I expect Whitmer. Who I’d take over the likes of Shapiro or Newsom any day.
I didn’t say AOC wasn’t the best person for the job, only that she won’t win. If I had a better answer, I would gladly offer it up. That said, I’ll keep voting as progressive as i can.
Conventional logic also said Trump would loose but here we are.
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