So I’ve realized that in conversations I’ll use traditional terms for men as general terms for all genders, both singularly and for groups. I always mean it well, but I’ve been thinking that it’s not as inclusive to women/trans people.

For example I would say:

“What’s up guys?” “How’s it going man?” "Good job, my dude!” etc.

Replacing these terms with person, people, etc sounds awkward. Y’all works but sounds very southern US (nowhere near where I am located) so it sounds out of place.

So what are some better options?

Edit: thanks for all the answers peoples, I appreciate the honest ones and some of the funny ones.

The simplest approach is to just drop the usage of guys, man, etc. Folks for groups and mate for singular appeal to me when I do want to add one in between friends.

  • PM_me_trebuchets@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    It’s good that OP means well, but also there are so many of us who do not care and are not affected because we know the speaker is using a generalized term and isn’t (usually) being malicious with it. I call several of my cisgender girl friends “dude” and “bro” and I’ll call men “girl” as a joke sometimes (like, girl what are you doing?). Many of these terms simply have completely lost their original gendered meaning in a lot of contexts.

    • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I’m also on Team “these words have lost their meaning” but personally feel the opposite way from OP.

      When people go out of their way to force inclusive language in a way that feels unnatural, and especially when I’m the only trans person in the room, it feels like I’m being singled out for my identity. I’m sure it’s being done with good intent but it makes me uncomfortable. It’s extra uncomfortable if they’re making (often incorrect) assumptions about my body in the process. I don’t need special language, the language already exists, I just want people to use it.

      That said, I won’t fault someone for trying to be inclusive and always respect other people’s language preferences. But too much can be just as uncomfortable as too little.

      (For context I’m 10 years MTF)

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      7 months ago

      That’s great, and it’s nice that you don’t have to deal with that jolt of dysphoria in those situations.

      I’m simply saying that it’s also common (and okay) to not be entirely comfortable with those terms. Especially from strangers or acquaintances.

      I don’t think seeking to reduce the linguistic pattern of male as the default is a misguided effort.