Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.

Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion

Edit2: IP= intellectal property

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  • CybranM@feddit.nu
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    If every border opened up and tons of people moved into Europe/USA and other wealthy countries they would inevitably collapse. Trust in the system would erode and it would all devolve into anarchy.

    I doubt a lot of people would voluntarily move out of wealthy countries, those that want to already can, so it would be a one way transfer of people.

    We already see a lot of tension in regards to migration and opening borders would make it 100 times worse

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        4 days ago

        The tension is caused by not having open borders.

        I don’t see how that’s could possibly be the case.

        Would you mind explaining how you imagine wealthy countries would fare if we removed all borders tomorrow? How would social security and societal services work with a massive influx of people without any increase in taxes?

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          More people means more tax, but perhaps we should abandon the concept of money and the economy altogether. This shit does not work for the working class.

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            3 days ago

            So you assume everyone will instantly get a job and contribute to society? That seems very unlikely

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        Where are these open borders you speak of?

        In the EU. You’re free to move to any member country to live and work there.

        Then we had brexit, and as huge part of that was the “freedom of movement” in the EU. The British didn’t like “Polish plumbers” coming to the UK.

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            Freedom of Movement (FoM) has worked out pretty well for the EU, especially well before the enlargement. The tensions came with the inclusion of the old “eastern bloc” countries where there was a rather large disparity between them and the richer west. I’m generally in favour of FoM, but I also recognise that with a big difference in standards there will be some issues.

            So yes, FoM works, but there has to be rules attached. The UK didn’t apply most of the rules they could have, which eventually led to a perception that FoM is bad, and then Brexit.

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        4 days ago

        If you have money, borders are basically open for you. I haven’t seen many upper middle-class and higher people migrate to second or third world countries. So it’s safe to assume that that also wouldn’t happen when borders are actually open. This leaves less fortunate people from all over the world. If you are telling me they will migrate to a different second or third world country, you are delusional. They will migrate to first world countries. And those cou tries will collapse.

        Don’t get me wrong, I think open borders are a great concept and people should be free to live wherever they want. But with our current system it just doesn’t work. If we have something like a world government and just earth, without individual countries, it’s a different story.

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          4 days ago

          Oh no not our current system that doesn’t provide for everyone! What will we ever do if we lose our chains!?!?

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            4 days ago

            Why would I watch Fox News, I’m not even in the US…

            My proof for “basically” open borders is me. I lived in multiple countries and it was pretty easy to achieve. And I by no means have money, just education.

            Not sure what you’re going on about truisms and what you did or did not notice.

            I stand by the fact that if you have money, education and/or a job that is in demand for the country you chose, you can easily get permanent residency and then citizenship.

            I don’t get why you get so worked up about this statement. If someone wants to immigrate to Germany, New Zealand, or Canada or whatever first world country, they apply for it, fill out the paperwork and if they fulfill the requirements, which you usually do if you have the education, you eventually get approved. That’s literally what hundreds of thousands of people are already doing.

            Is this system perfect? Of course not, it takes a while to get the paperwork and it heavily favors highly educated people from first world countries. But that’s what I said in the first post.