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“Showing up on time” is the lowest possible bar, isn’t it?
I’m reminded of the Chris Rock bit about people bragging about “paying their bills” and “taking care of their family” as if it’s a huge accomplishment. These are just things you’re supposed to do!
The thing is, people can commit to different things. A classic saying in recovery is “If you put as much effort into your recovery as you did your addiction you would be on top of the world” or whatever. Would you walk 4 hours to make it to a job interview like you would to pick up heroin? etc
Someone might be really into adorning their body with art, but maybe wont show up to crunch data and smile at customers.
Last week I saw an East Asian guy with sleeves and neck. That hits different.
yeah tattoo culture is really going through a massive shift. in 2010 no one in korea had tattoos, or if they did they kept them secret. the only ones with tattoos were involved in organized crime. if you took your shirt off at the bathhouse, people would get scared, that degree of discomfort.
now you go to korea in 2025 and you see young people with tats everywhere!
Years ago I was asked by a recruiter if I had any tattoos and piercings - I don’t, but told them I wasn’t interested in working for a client who’d let that get in the way of hiring the right people.
I’ve got no problem with tattoos generally, but certain specific tattoos are red flags.
I have a bunch of 13’s please do tell?
I have a 1312 as well. Oh shit. Put that guy on a list!
Only country in the world I would not ever travel to because of those tattoos. The shithole South of our border.
Thankfully no 88’s. I’m not familiar with the significance of 13, is it related to 1312? I just have the 1312 on the inside brim of a hat.
I must be a gang member as well my fellow enthusiast. They better come get me!
Americans are wild. No wonder your problems are so large.
I’m general I agree, but I draw the line at face tattoos. If you have face tattoos I assume you are dumb as sticks.
I feel like face tattoos are judged too harshly at one point in time all tattoos were judged as harshly as face tattoos. All of it is arbitrary who cares if someone chose to get a tattoo on their face?
I wish people could do what they want to their bodies without judgment but I don’t see that ever happening.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ethan-westbrooks-face-tattoo-2014-9
tl,dr the man got a tattoo on his face because he knew that would disqualify him for any job except playing pro football.
Well that’s a risky gamble…
While I’d never do something like that, I can see his point. Sometimes the only way forward is to burn your bridges.
Also, all this talk about face tattoos reminds me of one of the all time great science fiction novels, “The Stars My Destination,” by Alfred Bester. One of the subplots is that the hero gets tattoos that make it easy for his enemies to find him.
That was my favorite book when I was a kid. I only learned that it’s the Sci-fi version of the classic book “Count of Monte Cristo” as an adult.
I bet that kid grew up watching full metal alchemist
I’ve seen people describe face and neck tattoos as the “everlasting job stopper”
Depends on the job tbh. I couldn’t care less about a software developer with face tattoos even if I think less of their life choices.
I would actually not care nor measure that into my judgment. At one particular time in their life, this felt like a great idea to them. We didn’t live their life, we can’t know. It might even make up for a great story to tell.
And on top of that: I see no difference to make-up, except it’s permanent. Women paint their faces like they’re applying to Clowns college and noone bats an eye. A nice face-tattoo is just more plainly identifieable as paint than good makeup is.
Not talking about a swastika or other stupid messages of course. If you portrait stupid messages I’m forced to deduct you’re stupid.
The permanence IS the most important difference though. One requires you to knowingly make the decision you’ll have it on your face forever.
So many decisions are permanent. Philosophically speaking, every decicsson is. If you decide to get that burito later you will forever be the person that decided to get that burito in that decision.
Someone decides to go to college and spends 5 years there. That is forever. They can decide to go into a different profession of course or get a second degree in something else but those 5 years are gone. And that decision should be mutch mutch mutch more relevant to somebody hiring you that a cosmetic decision. And yet we say to children that they can change their courses and degrees if they are not right but we say a tatoo is a mark against you forever.
Its 100% prejudice from a time when tattoos were (in western society) mainly related to gang association. A point that is 0% relevant today.
Yes, from a philosophical standpoint, even the water I just drank was a permanent decision.
But face tattoos are a permanent change to your appearance that you KNOW you might be discriminated against for AND can’t cover up so making that decision implies that you don’t consider potential negative future effects of your actions, or don’t care.
You can absolutely cover up face tattoos. It’s even easier in colder climates. Also, and I know it’s a bit of a reach, but coming out publicly is a permanent change that you know you might be discriminated against for. Should everyone stay in the closet because it brings fewer negative future effects?
Let people do what makes them happy, after all, it doesn’t hurt anyone (except themselves for a bit while getting it).
There are positive aspects to coming out if you’re in the closet. What’s the positive aspect of face tattoos?
And I know about life in colder climates. When did you last have a job interview outdoors though?
Yes, everyone is free to do it. Everyone else is also free to judge them for it though.
Make up not being permanent is a big reason why it’s perfectly OK to use it even if you look like a clown. I’m a dude and occasionally use make up at certain parties.
You seem to agree with me that face tattoos are a terrible idea, but you empathise with their idiot younger selves. I get it, and probably IRL I would not be so merciless. But I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea even if some people will show them some sympathy.
I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea…
Ever heard of a cyclical issue? Basically, you believe that people will think less of them for having face tattoos because you think less of people with face tattoos. You’re perpetuating the intolerance that you fear your kids would face.
Tattoos don’t mean that you’re stupid, especially not in today’s world where tattoo removal is increasingly available to the laymen. What do you gain by judging people in that way? Just more reason to feel better than them?
Can’t see the forest for the trees.
I possibly would allow ones around the edges, and of course Maori face tattoos are fine; but otherwise, yeah.
and of course Maori face tattoos are fine
Why?
“They get a pass because they normalized it sooner”
Because the majority of people with Maori face tattoos are Maori, not gobshites.
Floridian culture does not get the same respect, I’m guessing?
Don’t underestimate the stupidity of white people looking for an identity to fill the void of meaning in their lives.
Since New Zealand isn’t very big, there’s a good chance we’re just a fad away from having millions of 22 year olds getting shitty imitations onto their faces thus ruining it for the Maori.
It’s not cultural appropriation BTW, because Kaylee and Braden absolutely do have Maori heritage 409 generations ago!
Americans are weird.
Thoroughly weird.
That guy posts on ich_iel though.
OK, fine. I will take face tattoos on a case by case basis but they’re walking on thin ice.
They’re also patient and willing to push through a bit of pain for a reward
Tattoos also apparently taste bad, so they are also good at risk management, as they’re avoiding cannibals
so they are also good at risk management, as they’re avoiding cannibals
Eh, I’d argue it’s actually the exact opposite of good risk management. They’ve spent a lot of time and money mitigating something that’s extremely unlikely to ever pose a problem. They should take a step back and reevaluate that risk matrix, maybe get a second opinion on it too.
Mah man, that’s just what the cannibals want you to think! /j
Christians are cannibals (they have a ritual), that’s why they don’t like tattoos.
Is that why sailors got tattows? xD
Avoiding becoming long pork is as valid reason as any I suppose hah
serious answer
I think a lot of it was for identification of bodies if they are otherwise disfigured in death :3… as well as other things like superstition, or marking important achievements ^^
Also they liked to share stuff with the local people, I think getting a tattow was also a big part of that.
This entire thread just solidifies why 'murica is in the position it is with a dictator at the helm running the country full speed into a massive ship destroying iceberg made of money.
Or you’re a degenerate who lives with someone who owns a tattoo gun and you’re the guinea pig for them to practice on.
All I think is “oh, that person is either a tattoo artist (and friends with a bunch of them too), or good friends with one”. But thats just based off of my own experience, the people I know that are heavily inked are all tattoo artists or married to one.
I know a lot of heavily inked people, including myself not in that circumstance, but I am Canadian and live within a completely different society and culture. One more accepting of people who are different then them.
It shows what made them who they are today without talking.
Lmao. That drunk tattoo of a dick on your forearm truly speaks to your tardiness and responsibility.
Some level of impressive deduction right there.
If you mostly see people with those tattoos, that speaks more of your environment
You mean the internet?
Internet isn’t a single community, so yes.
