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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.
Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?
Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn’t be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.
… Yes, yes you absolutely should.
There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.
“haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!”
Fucking children.
What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?
Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?
My basic observation skills and low tolerance for bullshit.
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say that Kamala Harris would not be working to ship Palestinians to Africa.
You know what? I think that Netanyahu’s progress (murder rate) would be much much lower than it is today.
But biden was totally playing hardball with netanyahu behind the scenes.
Oh yeah, that was just another fucking lie from the people who brought you “biden was completely lucid at the debate, what are you talking about?” and “biden was jet lagged from a trip he took nearly two weeks prior!”
Remember how Biden wasn’t running for reelection? Yeah no one else does, either.
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What is currently happening, and how it’s happening, is a direct result of the thought process you’ve outlined.
Of all instances in time, it’s now that you want to crank the Both Parties Are the Same knob?
We need to do something about this censorship.
With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going “shhh” while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.
Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.
Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck “my job is to keep the left pro-genocide” Schumer.
Although not voting was the wrong move, It’s important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.
The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.
The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.
Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.
It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.
Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.
If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.
Over it.
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There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.
Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.
When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.
Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.
Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.
I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit
You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink
My trans son says “fuck you”.
You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.
But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.
You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.
No. She said her policies didn’t differ from biden’s. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.
Opposing genocide isn’t a moral failure. Supporting it is. You should stop but you won’t.
You do give a shit about genocide. You support it so hard that you equate genocide support with support for your trans son.
Did you see any democrat respond to the constant barrage of hate ads against trans people by actively standing up for trans people? Because I saw them avoiding the issue like the cowards they are and letting republicans move the Overton window to somewhere they were more comfortable with, or running anti-trans hate in their own ads as a preview of where the Fascist Appeasement Party desperately wants to be.
You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.
Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.
Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.
Yes I do. And yes I am.
You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”
The rest of us actually made a choice.
Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.
You’re children.
Members of the party you support ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. The presumptive frontrunner for their 2028 nominee threw trans people under the bus to appease the fascist guest he had on his podcast.
centrist democrats are as committed to trans rights as they are to any issue (save one). Which is to say, they will abandon it at the first sign of a disapproving look from a fascist. centrist democrats have solidarity with exactly one man on this earth, and his name is netanyahu.
Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don’t kid yourself.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.
Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.
The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.
Thank God we didn’t let that happen…
Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!
As I recall, genocide was so important to centrists that they were willing to lose democracy for it.
Voted for harris. Will never stop hating myself for voting to enable genocide.
Centrists are just mad that their only policy is being enacted by their second favorite candidate.
It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.
They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a “you win this time” holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.
I doubt any claim regarding what polling data unavailable to the public says. The biden administration played arms dealer for a genocide (not the mealy-mouthed euphemism “ethnic cleansing”). Why would lying about a few polls be a bridge too far?
They considered genocide opponents too insignificant to listen to. Everyone who is blaming the anti-genocide left now needs to remember that they were so devoted to netanyahu that they didn’t want to listen to people whose votes they were happy to discard in their zeal to wipe out Palestinians.
If genocide is all “centrists” care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump’s policy not mad.
They ain’t mad at trump.
They’re mad at everyone who didn’t like their genocide.
… Wait, that they’re getting now?
So they should be happy?
I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.