The full tweet:
Majority of gamers are still playing at 1080p and have no use for more than 8GB of memory. Most played games WW are mostly esports games. We wouldn’t build it if there wasn’t a market for it. If 8GB isn’t right for you then there’s 16GB. Same GPU, no compromise, just memory options.
I don’t think he’s that far off; eSports games don’t have the same requirements as AAA single-player games.
This is a much more nuanced take than the headlines implies.
Are you saying journalists will publish articles with inflammatory headlines to maximize engagement with their ad-based website funding? Nah way, I don believe it.
Just as an FYI editors usually pick the headlines.
I still see it being an issue of pricing and questionable value (over older/used/already-owned) of a bottlenecked part, particularly when it ends up with users who aren’t esports users (for a multitude of reasons). In other words: stagnation.
It’s more obvious with AMD selling new 4GB cards still in the budget category rather than ultra-budget, as in they aren’t raising the floor. The jokes still work:
EDIT: There were even polaris GPUs with 8GB
In this case, Intel’s options of 10/12GB sounds like a more reasonable middle ground.
Counter point.
https://prosettings.net/blog/1440p-competitive-gaming/
Increased resolution has been the trend for a bit now even in these competitive games.
ETA, let’s also not pretend that those who play esports games only play esports games too.
Then put 8GB in a 9060 non-XT and sell it for $200. You’re just wasting dies that could’ve been used to make more 16GB cards available (or at least a 12 GB version instead of 8).
That wouldn’t work. AMD uses a lot of low memory cheap cheap memory in unison to achieve high speeds, that’s why their cards have more vram than nvidia, not because the amount matters, but because more memory chips together can get higher speeds.
Nvidia uses really expensive chips that are high speed so they can fewer memory chips to get the same memory speed.
Then AMD lied and manipulated gamers for advertising that you need 16gb vram.
Memory speed > memory amount
Why would speed matter more then amount. If I have to swap from the slower system memory it’s going to slow it down. Having more means I can store more needed stuff in fast ram.
That’s not how it works at all. You still need to use system memory.
And honestly, I really don’t have time to explain all the details on how RAM and VRAM works.
You are definitely AMDs target audience.
You’re wrong bro. I
can’ter, don’t have time to explain but you’re just wrong. *Finishes with passive aggressive insult*You’re fresh from reddit, ay? Ever consider going back?
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Wow. Moi, a dumb cunt? You suuuure got me! I hope you didn’t hurt yourself coming up with such an epic zinger. True big brain material there, really shows us all how much mental horsepower you’ve got under the hood.
Fucking toxic manchild Redditors. Looking forward to seeing your account inactive after a few weeks of us mocking you.
Tell that to game developers. Specifically the ones that routinely don’t optimize shit.
Or to gamers who insist on playing these unoptimized games at max settings. $80 for the game, and then spend $1000 buying a gpu that can run the game.
Do you just not want more money?
Nvidia have dropped the ball epically and you have a golden opportunity to regain some GPU share here.
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IMHO The Problem is only partly the 8GB VRAM (for 1080p). An at least equal part of the Problem is the sitty Optimisation of some game engines. Especially Unreal Engine 5.
There is nothing wrong with Unreal Engine and UE5 is not meaningfully different than UE4. The problem is that developers only “optimize” to pass console certifications while PC gamers are left out in the cold. It also doesn’t help that PC gamers have a lot more options and will often insist on choosing settings that are far beyond the capabilities of their particular hardware.
Yeah seeing a cool game and then seeing it’s made in UE5 really puts a damper on things. I wish the engine had more work into performance optimization.
What would you do to optimize it more?
I would ask ChatGPT to review the source code and optimize it 😈
Task failed Successfully! Now 8TB is the minimum. Well at least it’s still 8. :)
Lmao. AMD out here fumbling a lay up.
Seriously.
All AMD had to do here is create a 12GB and 16GB version (instead of 8 and 16), then gesture at all the reviews calling the RTX 5060 8GB DOA because of the very limiting VRAM quantity.
8GB VRAM is not enough for most people. Even 1080p gaming is pushing the limits of an 8GB card. And this is all made worse when you consider people will have these cards for years to come.
Exactly. Even if you accept their argument that 8GB is usually enough today for 1080P (and we all know that is only true for high performance e-sports focused titles), it is not true for tomorrow. That makes buying one of those cards today a really poor investment.
Even worse when you consider the cost difference between 8GB and 16GB can’t be that high. If they ate the cost difference and marketed 16GB as the new “floor” for a quality card, then they might have eaten NVIDIA’s lunch where they can (low-end)
I mean honestly, yeah. With a simple 4 GB chip they could have won the low end and not screwed over gamers.
They’ve really seemed to have forgotten their roots with the GPU market, which is a damn shame.
I just ditched my 8gb card because it wasn’t doing the trick well enough at 1080p and especially not at 1440p.
So if i get this straight AMD agrees that they need to optimize games better.
I hate upscaling and frame gen with a passion, it never feels right and often looks messy too.
First descendant became a 480p mess when there were a bunch of enemies even tho i have a 24gb card and pretty decent pc to accompany that.
I’m now back to heavily modded Skyrim and damn do i love the lack of upscaling and frame gen. The Oblivion stutters were a nightmare and made me ditch the game within 10 hours.
FSR4 appears to solve a lot of problems with both upscaling and frame gen – not just in FSR, but generally. It appears they’ve fixed disocclusion trails, which is a problem even DLSS suffers from.
“8gb ought to be enough for anybody”
I disagree.
why
that’s just like, they’re opinion
Ive got 16gb of vram 2k monitor and this tracks pretty accurately. I almost never use over 8gb. The only games that I can break 10gb are games where I can enable a setting (designed for old PCs) where I can load all the textures into vram.
Weird. You must be playing old games. Most modern games are going over 8gb at 1440p no problem. They have been for at least a few years now.
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Ksp uses ram, not vram. I play rp1 with 8gb vram no problem. 32 gb of ram isn’t enough though.
Yep, confused it.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game use more RAM than ksp with mods though, holy moly.
Cyberpunk with 4K texture packs has entered the chat.
Edit: also the AI upscaled textures pack for starfield. Also the official 4k texture pack for Warhammer: Space Marines 2. All go over 16gb vram, even at 1440p.
My Rimworld at 500+ mods can be pretty fucked
My 4k tv disagrees. Even upscaling from 1440p, my 10GB is barely enough on new games
Last month’s Steam survey had 1080p as the most common primary display resolution at about 55%, while 4k was at 4.57%.
4K is a tiny part of the market. Even 1440p is a small segment (albeit rapidly growing).
Oh so it’s not that many players are FORCED to play at 1080p because AMDs and Novideos “affordable” garbage can’t cope with anything more to make a game seem smooth, or better yet the game detected we’re running on a calculator here so it took pity on us and set the graphics bar low.
Hey, give a little credit to our
public schools(poorly-optimized eye-candy) new games! (where 10-20GiB is now considered small)
I wish.
Send one of these guys by my place. I’ll show them what 8GB can not do…
Tell that to my triple 1440p screen flight simulator!
Have you tried buying three graphics cards?
most gamers aren’t doing that. You can get a very good idea of what they’re doing by looking at Steam hardware surveys.
Most gamers are stuck with lower end hardware because they can’t afford anything anymore.
