Ironic comment, since Dune’s story is supernatural nonsense written by a misogynistic homophobe who probably does think the Bible is the greatest book of all time.
I’d not looked into Frank before now, but I’ve read 2.5 of the dune books. It’s weird to see he was a self described conservative and libertarian. The whole dune story seems to mock everything he stands for politically. It’s like he was completely unaware of the power structures he was writing about exist across all US (and non-US) political parties.
You expressed surprise that Herbert is a rabid conservative. I pointed out that the book you claim to like is a celebration of fascism.
Yeah, but that isn’t why people like it.
Correct. People like Dune because it’s the biggest book they’ve read, not because they were paying attention to the prose or narrative quality of its insane plot.
The storyline is a fascism. Frank thought libertarianism would stop what he was writing about. He didn’t want fascism but wrote about it. The second book is mostly about Paul falling apart and dying. Even though he thought he could follow a perfect path to being a perfect leader.
I personally don’t care much about literary complexity. I find it interesting, and that’s all that matters to me. If you disagree, that’s fine too.
Although the movies are better than the books, the actual story is spectacularly awful. Have you ever had someone try to explain it to you? It’s unhinged. And the book is so poorly written from a literary perspective. Dune is Twilight for Gen-X’ers.
Frank Herbert is such a narcissist he actually accused Star Wars of ripping him off.
This is just a sad take. The writing is brilliantly grounded in reality for a fantastical story. It’s fricken weird AF, but many of us are here for that. It’s not for everyone, and that’s okay if you don’t like it, but calling it poorly written is infantile.
I actually really like the story of Dune, but I kind of have to agree that the writing leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that Herbert constantly switches perspectives with no indication in the middle of chapters, or sometimes even in the middle of paragraphs, drives me up the wall. I almost couldn’t finish them because of that.
So, just some advice, avoid Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen at all costs. I’m totally okay with not being spoon fed every detail of what’s happening as I read, but that’s not for everyone either. I first read them when I was a teen some 30 years ago and never found it hard to keep track of anything. I was too eager to find out what was going to happen next! The whole story is flush with character nuance so I could usually grasp who was saying/thinking what once things got going
I agree. Really dumb stuff. Certainly not watching the Villeneuve movies for the plot. Cults, royalty, magic, psychic powers, people turning into worms, guiding star travel via ESP…geez
It’s a relief then that Dune is one of the dumbest fucking stories of all time and casting doesn’t matter.
Ō great maker, subsume this guy right here into the sands.
I’m curious what you think the greatest story ever is. I hope it’s not The Bible.
Ironic comment, since Dune’s story is supernatural nonsense written by a misogynistic homophobe who probably does think the Bible is the greatest book of all time.
I’d not looked into Frank before now, but I’ve read 2.5 of the dune books. It’s weird to see he was a self described conservative and libertarian. The whole dune story seems to mock everything he stands for politically. It’s like he was completely unaware of the power structures he was writing about exist across all US (and non-US) political parties.
The story glorifies a eugenically engineered monarchy and waxes poetic about the evils of homosexuality.
Yeah, but that isn’t why people like it. Like Harry potter and Wizarding world of the transphobe.
You expressed surprise that Herbert is a rabid conservative. I pointed out that the book you claim to like is a celebration of fascism.
Correct. People like Dune because it’s the biggest book they’ve read, not because they were paying attention to the prose or narrative quality of its insane plot.
The storyline is a fascism. Frank thought libertarianism would stop what he was writing about. He didn’t want fascism but wrote about it. The second book is mostly about Paul falling apart and dying. Even though he thought he could follow a perfect path to being a perfect leader.
I personally don’t care much about literary complexity. I find it interesting, and that’s all that matters to me. If you disagree, that’s fine too.
Fair enough. I don’t begrudge your enjoyment.
It seems like you really don’t like it. What makes you say that?
Although the movies are better than the books, the actual story is spectacularly awful. Have you ever had someone try to explain it to you? It’s unhinged. And the book is so poorly written from a literary perspective. Dune is Twilight for Gen-X’ers.
Frank Herbert is such a narcissist he actually accused Star Wars of ripping him off.
This is just a sad take. The writing is brilliantly grounded in reality for a fantastical story. It’s fricken weird AF, but many of us are here for that. It’s not for everyone, and that’s okay if you don’t like it, but calling it poorly written is infantile.
I actually really like the story of Dune, but I kind of have to agree that the writing leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that Herbert constantly switches perspectives with no indication in the middle of chapters, or sometimes even in the middle of paragraphs, drives me up the wall. I almost couldn’t finish them because of that.
So, just some advice, avoid Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen at all costs. I’m totally okay with not being spoon fed every detail of what’s happening as I read, but that’s not for everyone either. I first read them when I was a teen some 30 years ago and never found it hard to keep track of anything. I was too eager to find out what was going to happen next! The whole story is flush with character nuance so I could usually grasp who was saying/thinking what once things got going
I’ve noticed a lot of infantile and absurdly maximalist takes on Lemmy lately. it’s kind of souring me on the project.
jesus christ i thought you said “marxist”, that sure changes the tone of your comment
People post bad takes on social media - the Lemmy project is clearly failed!
the Human Project? understandable, really.
The Reddit spillover effect is noticable
If you think Dune is well-written, wait until you read a modern sci-fi novel. The shittiest space opera would probably blow your mind.
I have. I like em too. I don’t neglect what came before because there is something new.
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Don’t you mean boomers. Dune was published in 1965.
Yes, but the book also became really popular among the Gen X crowd, whose hunger for sci fi was fueled by things like Star Wars.
I agree. Really dumb stuff. Certainly not watching the Villeneuve movies for the plot. Cults, royalty, magic, psychic powers, people turning into worms, guiding star travel via ESP…geez