Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
How does getting your neighbors killed, “protect” them? Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now. How would starting an all-out civil war, protect anyone?
Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now.
My point is that continuing that is the escalation you’re talking about. Consider the following situation: ICE comes for person X and group Y shows up. Y refuse to hand over X, at which point ICE threatens to shoot them if they don’t comply. What should Y do here? Hand over X? Peacefully get shot? Shoot back?
If ICE shows up for person X, and group Y stands in front of them…ICE is not going to start shooting people unless they are threatened with violence. If the entire neighborhood comes out onto the streets in enough numbers, and simply stands their ground…ICE will have no choice but to either leave, or break the law.
But, if you step up to them with violent intent…then all bets are off, and your fantasy scenario comes true. So, if that’s what you want to see happen…then go ahead. FAFO. Because as much as you might like to imagine you can take on the US military with your home stash of guns…you don’t have enough ammo to “save your neighbors” from that level of stupidity. All you’re going to do is get a lot of people killed, and accomplish exactly nothing.
Lol! I can’t believe I need to say this…rubber bullets are not the same thing as live rounds. And they are using them, in order to escalate the situation. They want the protesters to fight back, in order to give them the excuse they need to take it to the next level. Which is exactly why they need to keep their shit together.
If those protesters give them what they want, then people will actually start getting hurt, for real. Stop pretending like we’re already there. That kind of hyperbolic drama is entirely unhelpful.
Good job moving the goalposts, I almost didn’t notice it.
ICE is not going to start shooting people unless they are threatened with violence.
-you.
I now have every reason to believe you’re not debating in good faith given that you just fucking lied so I’ll disengage, but before I leave you do realize that they’re sending people to the hospital right as we speak right? Rubber bullets can hurt, they can blind and, especially at close range, they can fucking kill.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Man, I would love to be as delusional as you are. It must be so much fun thinking life is like a video game.
Look, if your strategy and tactics prevent you from protecting your own neighbors you’ve already lost the plot.
How does getting your neighbors killed, “protect” them? Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now. How would starting an all-out civil war, protect anyone?
My point is that continuing that is the escalation you’re talking about. Consider the following situation: ICE comes for person X and group Y shows up. Y refuse to hand over X, at which point ICE threatens to shoot them if they don’t comply. What should Y do here? Hand over X? Peacefully get shot? Shoot back?
Like I said…you are delusional.
If ICE shows up for person X, and group Y stands in front of them…ICE is not going to start shooting people unless they are threatened with violence. If the entire neighborhood comes out onto the streets in enough numbers, and simply stands their ground…ICE will have no choice but to either leave, or break the law.
But, if you step up to them with violent intent…then all bets are off, and your fantasy scenario comes true. So, if that’s what you want to see happen…then go ahead. FAFO. Because as much as you might like to imagine you can take on the US military with your home stash of guns…you don’t have enough ammo to “save your neighbors” from that level of stupidity. All you’re going to do is get a lot of people killed, and accomplish exactly nothing.
You do realize they’re shooting protesters right as we speak right? That’s literally why we’re having this conversation.
Lol! I can’t believe I need to say this…rubber bullets are not the same thing as live rounds. And they are using them, in order to escalate the situation. They want the protesters to fight back, in order to give them the excuse they need to take it to the next level. Which is exactly why they need to keep their shit together.
If those protesters give them what they want, then people will actually start getting hurt, for real. Stop pretending like we’re already there. That kind of hyperbolic drama is entirely unhelpful.
Good job moving the goalposts, I almost didn’t notice it.
-you.
I now have every reason to believe you’re not debating in good faith given that you just fucking lied so I’ll disengage, but before I leave you do realize that they’re sending people to the hospital right as we speak right? Rubber bullets can hurt, they can blind and, especially at close range, they can fucking kill.