• Madison420@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Correct, they hadn’t entered the area yet though so they technically heeded their warning.

    Stolen, if you take something from someone and dispense it as your own you’re guilty of theft and conversion something they say Hamas does with aid. And moreover delivering aid doesn’t negate the whole unlawful boarding, seizure and forcible human trafficking thing.

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      You don’t need to actually rob someone for the police to arrest you, if you loudly proclaim your intent and don’t stop.

      Confiscating ship and cargo, and holding the crew is perfectly legal under international maritime law for blockade runners.

      Israel said the tiny amount of aid the flotilla brought would be delivered on to Gaza.

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        You do actually. They need pc for arrest, they need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain, your simply confusing or conflating the two. Similarly a police officer needs jurisdiction, Israel doesn’t have jurisdiction outside of the blockade or territorial waters.

        To run a blockade you actually need to enter it, at anchor in international water after declaring your intent is quite literally the textbook reaction to a blockade and specifically to enter one legally.

        Israel also says it’s ok to run over people with tanks so maybe Israel is full of shit and you should trust third parties over the most active belligerent. FYI Hitler tried to say invading Poland for security reasons was legal, turns out no but Israel decided to quite literally pull a Hitler.

        Stop cucking for authoritarians bud.

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          Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying “con-traband” to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent’s nearest home port. The belligerent nation’s prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.

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          belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.

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              1 day ago

              A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels

              Israel‘s Navy is the belligerent warship. Flotilla is the merchant.

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                23 hours ago

                visit and search all merchant vessels

                A. Where do you see detain, seize, kidnap and deportation from a state they never intended to enter? Nowhere? Because it isn’t legal.

                B. Yes Israel is the warship. No they’re a humanitarian ship which is specifically allowed by international law so long as they agree to security measures like… A visit and search. As an aside a merchant is involved in commerce ie. Trade. Humanitarians are the ideological antithesis of Marchants.

                C. You seem to think they can exert a total blockade which is illegal, your own source cites the 2019 decision that the 2019 blockade was legal specifically because it did not bar aid.

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                  17 hours ago

                  Read the whole linked paper and you will see that detaining ship, cargo, and crew is legal if they refuse to turn around.

                  You might not be aware, but Israel has been allowing in aid for a while now. There is no total blockade.

                  Look up definition of merchant ship. Sure you might qualify them as a pleasure ship instead.

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                    17 hours ago

                    Combatants and neutral ships that breach exclusion, again Israel isn’t even claiming that’s what happened so why are you?

                    I’m not because they haven’t, there’s a man made famine at the moment hence all the starving children.

                    USCG merchant definition:

                    The term “commercial vessel” is defined by the United States Coast Guard as any vessel (i.e. boat or ship) engaged in commercial trade or that carries passengers for hire.

                    It is not involved in trade nor available for hire. You should read once ever.