As the situation in regard to report immigrants escalated, and the army may be used against Americans, do you believe there’s a way back, or is this a one way street to civil war?

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    12 hours ago

    Idealism is the privilege of elites. Maslow’s pyramid puts the majority of people into survival mode or comfort, and the US has been boiling the frog towards expanding the bottom of the pyramid for a long time. By the time people noticed that an open revolt (even so much as a work strike) would destroy their lives, it was too late. There are so few charismatic, moral and idealistic elites that the government could take care of them as soon as they threatened to become leaders of a real opposition. I don’t believe there would be a civil war, and I don’t believe there is a way back. The US will become a neofedual country, with a lucky few who have the means to move elsewhere. The best case scenario is for the rest of the world to isolate from the US, both economically and militarily.

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      Economically isolated US is unsustainable which will lead to collapse of the civil society. That’s why Trump wanted so hard to expand into Greenland and make Canada 51st State. Critical resources are missing in the USA to make it totally autonomous.

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        The US has more natural resources than just about any country on the planet could possibly have. If we can’t achieve autonomy as you’ve defined it then that kind of autonomy is a fictional concept that is out of reach for any modern nation.

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          then that kind of autonomy is a fictional concept that is out of reach for any modern nation.

          True autonomy and isolation IS impossible for modern countries. There isn’t a single country that has access to every single resource needed for modern society, some things will always have to be imported.

          A 1700s era society, however, is totally within the realm of possibility. Not much use for neodynium or lithium in the 18th century.

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            Yes, agreed. I wasn’t sure if we were talking about old fashioned autonomy as you referenced or in the context of the modern world. I don’t think a 1st world nation can be autonomous unless we advance to they point where we can mine most of the metals and minerals we need in space. And even then they might have issues with things like water.

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          Simple example: water. The USA has a shortage of fresh water and that’s why Trump is arguing the border between the USA and Canada is artificial and he wants to nullify old treaties in order to be able to grab the water from the Great Lakes unilaterally. The point is not about if other countries achieve autonomy, it’s about isolationism which requires autonomy to work and Trump wanting to make the USA isolated like in the good ol’ times when they could ignore the world.

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        I’m helping people resettle to Europe. We currently host a recent college grad until they finalize their job and housing arrangements, and I don’t think they’ll be the last one.