Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.
https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption
Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:
https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview
If you don’t have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌 🙌
Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI’s crap. Those are great ideas. Also, don’t drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.
YSK you should stop guilting us peasants.
Everyone knows who’s to blame.
Tired of this shit.
Let me tell you something, the consumer is to blame.
Nobody needs to orient their life around anything that they don’t choose. For example I willingly gave up my car and picked a job near me so I didn’t have to drive.
There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if people wouldn’t drink the fucking shit.
This whole cognitive dissonance crap where you get to live a completely hedonistic trash-filled lifestyle, while justifying that you have the right because you’re sad about your earning… I am sick to death of this attitude in people.
Oh and the shitty product that exists? I must consume it, it’s not me for purchasing it and creating a market, it’s them for serving my need & this market.
There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if water was clean and readily available for free.
The bottled water industry is way worse in Norway than in Spain for example.
LOL
Tell me what is your job?
Don’t they sell crap?
Do you live in a hut?
Clean your ass with grass?
Piss off with your selfrightious BS.
Get out of here with your logic and reason!
I might be able get behind this argument when you talk about the rules on plastic straws. But red meat is terrible for the environment. As is driving cars. Especially ICE and especially when it’s just one person, i.e. most work commutes. Another thing is heating/ cooling homes btw.
I personally think there are a lot of small things we should do as individuals but I understand not everyone might want to do them. I also agree that it’s up to governments to do a lot of heavy lifting. That can be things like establishing district heating or improving public transport. But maybe it can also be adding higher taxes on red meat.
" higher taxes on red meat"
And there we go.
They’ll probably do that and those taxes will not be used to do anything climate related.
Or maybe buy some more carbon credits to legally pollute more.
I’m tired of this blameshifting and not touching the core problem, capitalism and endless growth of consumerism.
They can all go to hell.
The income from a tax is generally not tied to a specific cause in most countries. If all it does is reducing meat consumption that would be a net benefit for the climate. And in this case also be beneficial for the economy as res meat isn’t healthy and contributes to a lot of disease among the population.
I saidit is NOT reducing meat consumption. fucking hell you people are dense
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Corporations are not ‘worse’.
They are the bulk of the problem.
They will do absolutely nothing about that since they can’t be touched for the holy profits of consumerism and the fanatic fixation on continuous growth of capitalism.
I refuse out of principle and I feel zero guilt. Those fingerpointers can fuck off.
They tax us suckers anyway for all the bad bad things we do to live.
And that money they can give to corporations or buy more carbon credits to polute more.
You can feel better and it may be good for your conscience but it’s like you’re un a bus driving down a cliff and your contribution is putting your foot on the road to slow it down.
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F150 right. Ridiculous exaggerations.
Let’s see how you do buying nothing from corporations.
Really you need a job at BP or some chemical multinational.
You’re already doing their work.
🙄
This is such a colossal cop out. Without question corporations and individual billionaires produce more pollution by several magintuedes of individual people. But even that is a drop in the bucket between the deforestation, the years of transporting food for livestock and the final transportation of end product meat to the world population that can be fed on plant based protein.
Save this line for plastic straws and other frivolous demonization from those in private jets. But don’t use it as a thought terminating cliche aginst the single biggest source of historical human made climate change.
Oh please.
Every food needs to be transported.
Well not if it’s produced and consumed locally but you forget you’re in capitalism where it’s cheaper to get your quinoa from 4000km away, etc.
Also I don’t want to be fed on plant based protein.
The world population can be fed anyway but capitalism says we need to destroy a lot of food to keep the prices down.
And some regions don’t have food bcs it can’t get there or their crops are destroyed by war, again caused by capitalism.
There’s a reason you don’t hear about little Greta anymore, she got wise.
Everyone can parrot the BP carbon footprint garbage all they want, IDC. I have zero guilt
I generally agree with your point (although I think we can hold corporations accountable and make whatever changes to our lifestyle that will help at the same time) but
She was in the news just last month for trying to get humanitarian aid to Palestine. She was on a ship that tried to bypass Israel’s naval blockade and the Israelis seized the ship and it’s cargo and eventually deported the activists.
She’s still very active in her environmental activism as well.
You many not hear about her as much now that she’s a young woman and not a teenager, but your implication that she ‘got wise’ is incorrect. The mainstream media doesn’t like to report on her unless they can somehow make her look bad, because they don’t want to remind people that climate change is happening or encourage young people to follow her lead.
I know about all what you said.
And you’re completely wrong. It has nothing to do with being a teenager but with her anti-capitalist stance which she now understands is the core of the problem.
They never tried to make her look bad (except right wing news) on the contrary they hyped her up big time.
Now she’s noticably shunned by the media. There have been articles about that too.
If you knew about her still being in the news, your statement about how you never hear about her anymore makes little sense.
She’s not a teenager any longer, that was my point. It was fairly unusual for a 15 year old to be so outspoken and articulate about the problem, which is why she used to get a lot of coverage.
Now she is just one young lady among millions who are outspoken about the issue, and the only thing that really distinguishes her from her peers is that she got famous for it at a young age.
Almost all mainstream news in the US is right wing, and I was clearly speaking about why they don’t report on her as much now as they originally did.
I’m sure that her anti capitalist stance has a lot to do with her not being in the news as much, nothing I said contradicts that.
From the way you worded your original statement it seemed like you were saying that the reason you don’t hear from her now was because she wised up and stopped doing it, not that she realized capitalism was the problem and that caused the media to stop reporting on her.
Now that I know what you meant it’s clear we are on the same side of the issue, so I’m not sure why you are insisting that I’m ‘completely wrong’ about it.
“f you knew about her still being in the news, your statement about how you never hear about her anymore makes little sense.”
I ment alternative news, not mainstream, that should be obvious. Where you also get real news about Palestine BTW.
“Almost all mainstream news in the US is right wing”
I don’t live in the banana republic, even there the right wing Dem party and lib media fully supported her.
" it seemed like you were saying that the reason you don’t hear from her now was because she wised up and stopped doing it, not that she realized capitalism was the problem and that caused the media to stop reporting on her."
This is literally my statement: " It has nothing to do with being a teenager but with her anti-capitalist stance "
And it does contradict your “it’s bcs she’s a teenager now”.
That is a totally different reason, which is not the cause of the media blackout.
And again you repeat that claim, so I definitely must insist you are wrong, again.
If not, we’re not on the same page.
How would that be obvious when it was all over mainstream news?
I don’t live in a “Banana Republic” either and I’m not sure that has anything to do with my claim about US News.
Yeah, I get that now that you have clarified. Did you expect me to divine the future to learn what you meant before I replied initially?
Jesus fucking Christ. For the THIRD (3rd) time now, she is NOT a teenager any longer. She aged, just like everyone else did. Time continued to pass for her. She ‘grew up’. She is now 22 years old, which is NOT a teenager. Now that she is 22 years old, she is no longer considered a Teen. She was born in 2003. 2025-2003 = 22 years old. I’m not sure how much more plainly I can say the same thing.
Do you normally have this hard of a time comprehending the English language?
get fucked asshole
At the core of literally every anti-vegan argument is, "but I don’t wanna!"
yep imagine not doing what you want
Do beliefs and principles even matter if, whenever they’re inconvenient, you ignore them and do whatever you were going to do anyway?
you have zero knowledge of my beliefs, let alone if I find them inconvenient or ignore them.
No need for your pedantic ramblings.
Going to have a cocktail in the sun with a little umbrella. Bye
This conversation is about whether eating meat is unethical, if you’re saying “I don’t wanna” then what you’re saying is that it doesn’t matter whether it’s ethical or not, because even if it were shown to be unethical and against your principles, you wouldn’t care, because “I don’t wanna.” Because your treats are more important to you than beliefs or principles.