Donald Trump has offered Eric Adams a job in his administration, apparently to convince him to drop out of New York’s mayoral race. It’s now official and out in the open: Andrew Cuomo is allying with Trump to beat Zohran Mamdani.
Liberals would rather lose to outright fascism than win on an actually progressive platform and that isn’t being hyperbolic at all, it is the brutal reality dooming this country to a very dark future.
Liberal politicians*
The Democratic party in NYC voted overwhelmingly for Mamdani against liberal opposition.
I agree with you for the most part and I genuinely give the general populace of the US immense credit for evolving and remembering the lessons we needed to learn from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, especially younger people in the US. Not that we deserve any praise for it, “credit” is the wrong word, I guess I only point this out to underline how it wasn’t necessarily a foregone conclusion the US public would in this late moment of empire reach a state of self-awareness about the actual systematic issues at play undermining this country.
You are right that the liberalism I am attacking is more prevalent in the ruling class and politicians than the general populace these days, but that was not always the case, on the contrary this is a recent development.
I am having a conversation about the way liberalism took the oxygen out of the room from other ideologies that might have given all the people dying and about to die a better chance at making it through and living a decent life.
Democrats have been known to back a Republican candidate to defeat a progressive candidate. The Democratic Party are traitors to the working class.
Establishments democrats. Not liberals.
@floofloof@lemmy.ca has a better response to this than I can write
liberalism is a political ideology rather than a political party, and that the problems of liberalism extend beyond registered Democrats. It’s important globally too: liberalism is problematic everywhere, whereas the Democratic Party exists only in the USA. Whatever a politician’s party, if they subscribe to liberalism their politics are going to problematic in the ways liberalism always is.
From that Wikipedia link:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.
Establishment Democrats are a problem that was created by liberalism, just because neoliberalism is dead as an ideology doesn’t mean that the structural impacts that have been established over decades of uncontested domination in the sphere of ideas by liberalism/neoliberalism aren’t still dominating the currents of power in the US and elsewhere.
Neoliberalism attempts to hallucinate some middle ground between the brutality of wealth inequality, colonialism and extractive capitalism and progressively better treatment of human beings on the other and there just isn’t. I don’t know what more evidence the world needs, the majority of people in the US have realized it, but the neoliberal wing of the ruling class in the US is still utterly in denial about it.
Liberals would rather lose to outright fascism than win on an actually progressive platform
Heh, its not because he’s progressive that Democrats hate him…
Today I learned Trump is a Liberal.
Hmmmmmm, I wonder if there’s anybody in this story that might fit the bill of Liberal, leaving Trump to represent Fascism. Nah, I failed my first grade reading class, but I’m pretty confident there isn’t.
Liberals would rather lose to outright fascism than win on an actually progressive platform and that isn’t being hyperbolic at all, it is the brutal reality dooming this country to a very dark future.
Comment I was responding to.
And Trump is the fascist in that story. The liberals are democrats who are intent on trying to lose elections if that alternative is a progressive wins.
Good job repeating the words you failed to properly comprehend, I guess…
Good job keeping the purity tests going.
I mean, that worked so well in the last few elections.
Please learn what a purity test means.
Your lack of reading comprehension doesn’t apply here.
Please learn how to win some elections
Mamdani is talking about the issues, not making personal attacks or name calling.
Be like the guy you like.
Why do you blame those to your left for god awful neoliberal candidates getting clobbered in elections? How many times do you need to see a status quo liberal get pummeled before you realize that no one is buying what they are selling?
It’s funny.
My comment about Mamdani winning by taking the high road and not being divisive is getting down voted.
I guess purity is more important than winning the election.
Cuomo did get an endorsement from Bill Clinton though.
Plus Cuomo is running as an independent. Not sure how dems have anything to do with this article.
He is running as independent, because he lost in primaries and is double dipping.
He supposedly identified himself as a Democrat but now it is clear that it was for the convenience.
I’m wondering if there will be Democrats that would vote on him after being backed by trump?
Didn’t he also implicated Cuomo in Maxwell’s interview?
The comment didn’t mention Democrats. It mentioned liberals.
I’m not going to play the adjective game.
Your objection to the comment was that Cuomo is not running as a Democrat. The comment didn’t say he was. It made a point about liberals, which is relevant if Cuomo is a liberal. You replied that he’s not a Democrat, but that’s not relevant since he is still a political liberal. So it’s not just an “adjective game”. It’s acknowledging that liberalism is a political ideology rather than a political party, and that the problems of liberalism extend beyond registered Democrats. It’s important globally too: liberalism is problematic everywhere, whereas the Democratic Party exists only in the USA. Whatever a politician’s party, if they subscribe to liberalism their politics are going to problematic in the ways liberalism always is.
From that Wikipedia link:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.
How about the noun game?
Why aren’t any gogh profile Democrats condemning him for running as an independent, subverting the Democratic primary that was held? Why are no high profile Democrats endorsing the Progressive winner of the Democratic Primary in the largest coty on the country? Why does “Vote Blue No Matter Who™” only apply to progressives when their candidate loses, and not centrist Dems when their candidate loses?
Here is his endorsement page. Many are high profile dems.
Weird, because neither Demeocrtic heads of Congress are on that list despite living in NYC.
What is your definition of high profile democrats? Is it Independent Bernie Sanders who the DNC has repeatedly shown is not welcome at the table?
In New York, a Trump endorsement is likely to guarantee Cuomo’s defeat.
He won’t endorse him. It’ll just be this type of manipulation.
Like all GOP projection, Trump imagined the Deep State and excoriated it only because he wanted to be it.
A couple years ago I would have believed you…
(New-Yorkers… go out and fucking VOTE!)
You would have to be the lowest of the low to be a democrat and decide to vote for this guy again
You just described a centrist.
This shit about democrats and republicans being enemies is made up, they are two sides of the same coin. The real threat to them is progressive politicians that do not bow down to the billionaires
New Yorkers love to be told what to do, so I’m sure this will go well. /s
Lmao, facts.
Birds of a feather
NO MO CUOMO
Fuck Humpty Trumpty.
Come on NYC!
VOTE!
I’ve returned from the future and I can confidently tell you that Cuomo will be destroyed in a landslide.
