It took you guys this long ??
As an American, the other 4 out of 10 must be idiots. GOP is on a mission to destroy everything that makes America a superpower.
Maybe they just never trusted America in the first place!
From Mary Poppins:
Though we adore them individually, we agree that as a group they’re rather stupid.
from MIB:
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
Yours is more eloquent though.
Haha, I’m stealing this to describe religious people
Canada needs a nuke now more than ever. Build it. And any time the orange fuckhead threatens annexation load it up in the silo.
Might need more than one but you got the spirit
Seems low.
4 of 10 never trusted them to begin with
I don’t blame them. I am (sadly) American, and I certainly don’t trust most Americans right now.
Edit to add: and don’t know that I ever will again.
This is exactly what they want to happen… most people are not actually bad people, they want better standards of living just like you and everyone else.
Some people are terrible and racists… but most people are tired of struggling and the rich getting richer… they just want their jobs back and to do what they are used to doing… they want to be okay because everything is fucked up…
They are being lied to, you are being lied to… everyone is being lied to…
Not everyone has forgotten their humanity, the people in control who want you to believe so, are the ones that keep telling you that they have
No matter how good a person could be, I wouldn’t trust them if they are easily manipulated in believing BS. I won’t hate them, but I won’t trust them.
Anyone with an bit of judgement could see what Trump was. And yet he was elected. Twice!
So all these “good people” have cpntributed to elect a fascist twice already. You want me to trust they won’t elect another one after him? That this is a two times mistake and Canadians can rely on the US after that?
Nope.
Maybe they were lied to about Trump. They will be lied to again by others about other fascists.
You can blame education, oligarchs propaganda, whatever. Point is: Canada can’t rely on the USA, even if Trump goes away.
This might put some of it into a better perspective…
You would be amazed at how easily you can be manipulated…
You will probably sit there and say not me never, but you probably have been manipulated and tricked into thinking differently and didn’t even realize it…
And you’ve been graceully and entirely missing the point of my comment. So maybe you should wonder what state of mind you’re in right now?
It looks to me that you’re more here to push a narrative about manipulation than discussing the topic.
Brecht:
“When the last [war] came to an end There were conquerors and conquered. Among the conquered the common people Starved. Among the conquerors The common people starved too.”
No one can trust an oligarch. If they live in your country, they are not your countrymen. If they don’t, they are not the common people who live where they happen to.
Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor… Because I’m not bigoted like that.
However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.
Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I’m just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.
This. I live in a bubble in California. We still have decent folks here. When I travel the country I tend to encounter the chuds at airport bars. The key child indicator is to respond that you’re from San Francisco when they ask. They won’t be able to contain the fox news eulogy for San Francisco and how it used to be a great state before it got "ruined "
I hate that I’m lumped in with these people but I also understand.
Individuals are to be assessed and judged individually based on their own merit; but trust in the collective, particularly of those in a position of power has eroded so enormously that the ‘benefit of the doubt’ is lost.
There’s no choice but to assume the worst will happen; because of this, I will NEVER live in America. It will be a long long time before I even consider visiting, and for the foreseeable future I will continue to make an effort to not buy American products.
I’ve been removing American tech companies from my life over the last 5-10years, but I’ve been stepping up those efforts more recently and this is only more encouragement.
I’m lumped in with these people
Maybe at first glance, but first impressions aren’t everything. Everyone deserves a chance; keep your chin up m8. I wish you the best of luck in this crazy world. 🇨🇦
After this nightmare is over, the Untied States need a complete overhaul
Balkanisation might honestly be the only solution; but that would involve the US giving up its current position as the only remaining global superpower.
It’s not ending any time soon. The US supreme court will remain a theocratic conservative majority for most of our lives. Regardless of how old you are. You will be quite old by the time that changes.
A brave-enough Congress could overhaul the Supreme Court, as they had in the past.
Unfortunately that level of courage is missing from most current politicians.
Not that I’m trying to pawn off our responsibilities, but I think part of that change needs to come from the rest of the world putting us in our place. Quit bending the knee and letting us get away with murder. Sanction our asses.
Cuba is illegal in the Untied States. All other countries should outlaw the Untied States, make it illegal to go there and illegal to possess anything made there, until the Untied States behaves itself.
A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.
And that overhaul is both far away and likely to be extremely painful.
I always tell Americans to just try to get out. Failing that, it’s about surviving and not making the situation even worse in the process.
Yeah, talk about putting the cart before the horse.
That’s okay, I haven’t trusted America in decades, and I’m American. Canadians are wise to be mistrustful of our GOVERNMENT. Most of the people are mostly cool. It’s just the MAGAs you have to hide your kids from.
Over half of the voters support what the government is doing. The US is cooked
Yeah and the voters are less than half of the population
As someone who has MAGA relatives in the US, most of the people are definitely not mostly cool. His die-hard supporters may only be about 35% of the population (which is huge) but there’s at least another 15% who are sympathetic to the whole movement. At most, 50% of the population is mostly cool, the other half is mostly very uncool.
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
both… after electing a convicted felon and rapist to the presidency for a SECOND time, Americans cannot escape responsability in my books
I can’t blame you. But to quote a movie … “A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals…”
precisely, I don’t hate Americans, I just can’t trust them blindly
Honestly, same here.
In the sense that the government and the people are misaligned? Or is this one of those “you’re united statesian, there are 30 countries in America” takes?
The first. I don’t even know what the second thing is. 🤷
Ah, Threads and some other lower quality social media are full of people making snarky comments to users from the States, saying something to the effect of “we are also in the Americas, so we’re Americans, you’re a US-ian”.
It all basically stems from the fact that in Spanish, the demonym for people from the US is “estadounidense” (United-Statesian) whereas “America” is used to refer to all of North and South America as a regions. People are too dumb to realise “America” has a different connotation in the two languages and it devolves into flame wars.
This is almost 100% a latin american thing. They’re taught that the americas are a single continent. For some reason they’re really stuck on this point as if it’s some kind of gotcha (it isn’t). Everyone (including them) are aware of what nation is being discussed when we say america/americans. They should just get over it.
Ah gotcha. Not sure why that would devolve into flame wars. I would want to distance myself as far as possible from anything related to the US as possible if I had a choice.
Well, one makes the other.
Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.
So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.
Sorry but the 35% who didn’t vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.
The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.
As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.
Oh I know, I don’t blame you in the least. I’m losing trust in my fellow Americans. The whole process was just a major fustercluck. I woke up the morning after with a serious case of dread of what was about to happen. The apathy in this country is a major issue no doubt. I’m hopeful that as shit gets worse and worse, the apathy goes away. If it doesn’t, then Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook and less a work of fiction.
Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook
It already is.
Project 2025 intentionally leads to Gilead.
We are definitely in the first few chapters.
Here is one of those people who shouldnt be trusted.
Americans always tell themselves these lies. Yes, only 65% voted, but the ones who didn’t vote weren’t all non-voting democrats. About half would have voted Trump if they’d voted. It’s not some small minority that supported Trump, it was a majority.
okay so you’re saying that we should be safe and play the odds and not trust any americans since the grand majority did nothing to stop this
Sure not everyone is on board, especially how it’s going lately, but you do spell it out kind of. Only 65% voted, that’s 35% who just decided to like give up or something. A third of you. Then a third voted MAGA, a thorn other.
That’s the danger of the stupid third.
Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.
I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.
Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.
But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.
Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.
Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.
My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.
And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.
Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.
By your numbers, 30% of Americans voted to keep Trump away from the Presidency. The other 70% did nothing to keep him out of office.
70% of Americans were happy enough with a Trump presidency that they at the very least did not lift a finger to prevent it. And 50% of the 70% actively supported him.
Was there a car show on that day?
Why now do we want to say that the 70% that enabled Trump “do not feel the same way”?
deleted by creator
only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags
So what you are saying is that the overwhelming majority of you participated in the election of Donald Trump.
Got it.
What was your other point again?
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
Did I miss the violent military coup?
I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.
Are you suggesting we trust those guys?
There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You’ll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.
And no, 70% of the population didn’t vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.
I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.
Eh, I’m a pretty big fan of democracy. I kinda think I would have supported the side that wasn’t about hereditary dictatorship.
But clearly, a lot of history has happened since then.
Especially because they were doing it to protect their smuggling profits, not out of some great and noble cause.
Ungrateful sods too, because a lot of the war debt that the tariffs were meant to pay off were the result of beating the French on the American continent so that it could be settled by English colonists. Ever wonder why so many places in the US have French names? Detroit, Louisville, St. Louis, Lafayette, Reno (a.k.a. Renault), Arkansas, Illinois…
Could have just not had the war…
Well, for that you’d have to talk to a certain English colonist named “George Washington”.
During a time when the English and French were technically at peace, this “Washington” fellow, a Lieutenant Colonel in the Virginia Regiment, ambushed a French detachment of 50 men, killing them all, including their commander who had been carrying a diplomatic message for the British.
This “Washington” fellow was a real fuck-up. Not only did he kick off the French and Indian war (also known as the 7 years war) by ambushing and killing a diplomatic courier during a time of peace, he then holed up in a fort which the French attacked and then he surrendered. When he surrendered, he signed a surrender document in which he took responsibility for assassinating Jumonville, the diplomatic courier.
This dude continued to fuck up too. He resigned his commission after this because as a colonial, he wasn’t allowed to have the rank he thought he deserved. A year later, he signed on as an aide to General Edward Braddock, who was planning to expel the French from Fort Duquesne. Washington came up with the master plan of splitting the army into a main column and a second smaller “flying column”. The French and their native allies ambushed the divided army and killed 2/3 of them, including General Braddock.
After a series of mistakes like that, I can only assume this guy faded into obscurity, forgotten as yet another failed son of a rich aristocrat. History is full of rich children like that who think they can play at “army” but who just keep screwing up.
And the British crown did not hang the British officer?
They probably should have. It might have changed history a bit if they had.
beef has gotten really expensive in the US.
Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools
Ah yes. Native American. Famously for participating the the Boston tea… Hold on…
Are you a bot?
You know Canadians burn down the white house, right? And the first nation people were the one that led the atk? Right?
That’s one of my favorite facts about the long storied history between Canada and the USA.
Ha ha.
Strange way to bring up that particular atrocity.
Doesn’t seem to have any bearing on the subject matter of the OP, or the commenter you’re replying to.
Weird.
The parent comment alludes to “redface”
I bet more in ten Americans feel the same way about Americans.
… It’s probably about the same. A certain idiot never really dips below 38% approval rating.
They don’t trust us, we don’t trust them.
I don’t know who we is, but you’re right.
Yeah, I was just wondering what the hell is wrong with 4/10 Canadians?
Every country has “the idiot third”, add a couple “IDK” and bam 40%
half of those are probably Bertans
As an US American watching two decades of secular human sacrifice through the long tail of the gunpowder revolution has left me undernourished and starving for humanity.
I’m afraid that the humanity you starve for has always been an ideal, and not reality.
It feels like we’re near or possibly over the precipice of losing our democracy
I’d just caution our friends to the north and those across the pond that when I look at people like Carney and Starmer I see people as bad or worse than Biden and then I look at who’s waiting in the wings…
It’s been gone since Citizens United, dude.
Definitely worse than Biden, but the systems they’re running are better than the one in America so it about evens out. Which, given how the American situation went, is really fucking bad.
Same
Every American is the enemy. Unless they deal.with their leader.
We Minnesotans are hoping to be annexed by Canada
I’ll annex you if you have good cheap real estate and some big farm girls.
