Yes, this is a real Am I The Asshole, not one where the answer is super obvious and the user is just looking to have their ego stroked.
My SO has BDD and genuinely thinks they look ugly naked. I think they’re 1000% incorrect and that they’re the sexiest human alive, and I would die happy if I could see them naked all the time.
I was diagnosed with a condition called Cone Rod Dystrophy which basically means I’ll lose color vision, then all vision. The timeline is anywhere from next week to 50 years from now.
I want to see them naked every chance I can get so I can cement it in my head before I go blind, but I feel gross for posing that as a reason to let me see them naked.
Like, in the 10 years we’ve been together I’ve never even asked them for a hand job if they didn’t feel up to sex because I didn’t want to seem like a callous asshole, so this would be a big ask from me.
To add in complications, they’re also on the spectrum. Not a criticism since I’m most likely on it too.
You wouldn’t be an asshole for asking, but you would be an asshole if you kept insisting after they said no.
Communication is great, coercion is not.
Also sounds like therapy would be a good idea, but that can be said of anyone.
Perfect answer.
I emphasize this detail with several exclamation marks!!!
Still depends on the relationship, person, and intent. I can’t speak for others. I may react initially negatively, but I am open to coercion.
Crime is really about intent more than any other factor. Manipulation and coercion can be done with positive and negative intent. If a person manipulates me at a clever level with the best of intentions, I have no problem with it, but again, I only speak for myself.
You are open to being convinced.
That is not what I said or meant, and it lacks nuance in an unnecessarily insulting way that I find offensive.
No you don’t. :p
Manipulation and coercion when used for dialogue and arguments are inherently negative. That is the meaning that the words carry. Trying to use them in the way that you did means you used the wrong words when trying to communicate with anyone else.
So my sister might tell me it is just a small casual thing with a few people. If she told me it was going to be 60, or my ex would be there, I would not go. However, my sister has arranged things so that people will be scattered in small groups with things to do suitable for the spectrum of people present. She is extremely emotionally intelligent. I understand the concept at a vague level of heuristics, but what that really means on a pragmatic level alludes me, like someone speaking a foreign language. I just don’t think in that space, and no amount of reasoning makes me comfortable with it, despite how much I want and need to be more social. When I show up, I am going to dread it, especially if I see a certain car. That is when I know I have been manipulated out of my comfort zone of logical analysis. I know the intentions well, and I would not have shown up otherwise. So I appreciate being manipulated and coerced by someone that cares.
I have done similar with partners many times. I tend to see the best in people in a deeply genuine way that they often do not see in themselves. I do not mean that in a spurious way like some fantasy fixation. I will absolutely manipulate and coerce someone into a path that leads them to a better place when such logic is plainly obvious to me.
From the perspective of negative feedback loops not creating positive change, that assessment is from the assumption that the constraints of the system are static. If the system state is possible to change, the limitations do not apply.
No one can force another person to learn or grow, it comes entirely from within. It is possible to alter the ingredients and path of least resistance to make such change much more likely even when the person is very initially resistant to said change. I find this kind of situation fascinating.
I’m a high Machiavellian personality and am very capable of manipulating people logically but not emotionally. When I was much younger, I learned about hurting people the hard way. I chose not to be like that and to try to be a force for positive change. I’m not always manipulative or coercive by any stretch. However, when no other approaches appear successful, I will act in a person’s best interest out of love, using every tool available to me. I have no ego or narcissism driving me, as these would make my motivations wrong and spurious. I’m doubtful of myself to a fault. I think in a statistical probability space, and am driven by unbridled curiosity. When a person I care about resists, that is the kind of curiosity I am talking about. I want to understand their perspective better than they know themselves as impossible as that may seem. It is only from this kind of deep understanding, when I know their insecurities well and all the various factors in play, that I then start looking for the butterfly effect of where a small nudge may alter their trajectory and shift their perspective in a fundamental way. This is purely logical and not emotional. It is absolutely manipulative and coercive.
Maybe I am somewhere on the spectrum, but to me, words are cheap, actions are all that matter. I’m not terribly skilled with words, but I am adequate when understanding a complex system well enough to see a fulcrum that generates great change. I choose to let my empathy dominate that space. To me, love is not emotional, it is actions and intentions. All available mechanisms have the potential to be used to express intentions through actions. I do not allow anyone to dictate the zero reference point of what is positive or negative. I ground my zero point to the person, in the circumstance, and specifically to their intentions, as dictated by their actions only. I question all dichotomous logic as a fallacy, especially lines in the sand drawn by others trying to dictate what is positive and what is negative.
The hard part is that they’ve stated that the reason they don’t offer to get me off when they’re not up to sex is because I don’t ask enough, but I don’t ask enough because if they’re not feeling well enough for sex then it seems shitty of me to ask for personal gratification at all.
But it’s really hard to gauge when they’re not feeling well enough to do anything, and when they’re well enough to do it
Not that me cumming is directly relational to me seeing them naked, but it speaks to my hesitation to ask. Because I do ask to see, but they seem to intentionally conflate me asking to see with me asking for sex, even though I’ve explained that when I ask to see I’m literally asking to see them naked.
I have asked for them to think of a way I can ask for personal gratification without seeming callous to their feelings, but like most requests of this nature it falls on deaf ears. Probably because they’re demisexual and don’t really understand a cis gendered straight male on testosterone’s sex drive.
Excuses are never useful as a replacement for good communication.
Of course not, but when good communication is stifled by a field of eggshells, you do what you can.
Our communication on the subject is pretty good, but that alone doesn’t solve the issue. It’s hard to see a way to open that line of communication without them being offended
The hard part is communicating my needs without trampling on their feelings, because at a certain point the onus shifts off of me and I don’t want my SO to have that pressure
This is the point at which you should begin looking for a couples therapist
That’s right. There are better things that can be done with feelings.
Such as?