• Rob Bos@lemmy.ca
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    9 hours ago

    What value? Can’t eat it, makes shitty tools. It’s shiny, but I’m not going to trade ny potatoes for shiny in a survival situation.

    You can starve sitting on a pile of gold.

    For gold to be valuable you still need social stability.

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      3 hours ago

      It’s more for when things have settled down a bit. Imagine you’re leading a group of people who secured a good territory and you’re growing more potatoes than you need. You may want jewelry made of gold to show how powerful and prosperous you are, both to your followers and to those outside. And you can give gold to particularily important followers, and to other leaders, in a very public ceremony, to show everyone that those leaders are beneath you.

      • Rob Bos@lemmy.ca
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        3 hours ago

        Totally. I was more commenting on the theory of gold having this magical inherent objective value. Which it doesn’t, it’s a commodity like any other.

        Honestly as a value store, land is probably better.

      • Rob Bos@lemmy.ca
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        8 hours ago

        Value is what you can get for something. If you can’t trade it for something, with anyone, it has zero value.

        A dollar has value because you can trade it for a potato. In an apocalypse, you cannot trade gold for a potato if nobody wants it.

        Value is a subjective thing.

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            8 hours ago

            Lots of things are rare. Doesn’t mean I’ll give you my potatoes for em.

            At best gold becomes something desirable once there’s enough security for me to value having pretty things.

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              8 hours ago

              Like I said, you don’t understand value and that’s okay.

              I’m going to ignore you now because you’re annoying me with your below-average intelligence.

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                  7 hours ago

                  I guess you don’t know what projecting means, either.

                  You can join the other ones.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Oh, so you can’t come up with a decent argument and instead block people? There there, poor baby!

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                6 hours ago

                I think people forget that gold is incredibly useful especially as a conductor. It’s not just for making pretty rings, our modern world as we know it would not exist without gold!

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                  Yes, the issue with that though is it is used in very advanced conductors. The kind of conductors that can only be produced in advanced factories by advanced large societies. If a collapse actually happened how do you fancy that factory works exactly? You gonna run a conductor factory to sell those conductors to who exactly? The potato farmer you are trying to convince to give you potatoes for that very same gold?

                  Low grade electronics that would be valuable in even a simpler smaller community like basic generators and light bulbs use exactly zero gold. Copper on the other hand is needed for almost all of that

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                    1 hour ago

                    Actually I work with electronics just about daily, and I can tell you lots of connectors get gold plating for corrosion resistance that doesn’t effect continuity. But yes in a post apocalypse setting I’m sure it wouldn’t be of much value… In the apocalypse I suspect if any metal holds a high value it would be copper for its usefulness in making tools and electronics. Making bronze tools and weapons is easier than steel so I suspect it would be in very high demand. Hopefully we never have to find out!

                • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  3 hours ago

                  Lots of things are conductors. That gives gold some inherent value, yes, but there are probably dozens of materials that are more useful and thus more valuable.

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        8 hours ago

        What uses gold when you’re buying/selling potatoes, nobody will think gold is worth anything if society has collapsed it’s just a useless hunk of metal