Rule of law is obviously sympathetic to Hamas.
I dont think it has shocked israel. And even if it has, I am sure not for torture but for leaking.
it is shaken them to the core that someone leaked it. not because someone did it.
The torture video shaking Israel to its core because it leaked not because of the event happening. The leak is perceived as treason by the majority of Israel and they are fine with the tortures…
Shaken to the core
I doubt it.
Shaken that the world is seeing it and judging them, not that it happened.
Don’t forget that IDF soldiers executed Gazan ambulance workers after tying them up and hid the bodies and then denied the whole thing
My understanding the media focus is about how bad it is that this was leaked and that the leakers are bad because it hurts the state of Israel.
Which is exactly what I would expect.
disgusting… do they think they can match the usa for atrocities, we got that shit on lock. amateurs.
omfg i hate this world
My interpretation:
- Netanyahu has already secured political control of Shin Bet (secret police) by swapping its director
- he wants full control of the IDF, but some people haven’t been willing to swear personal loyalty
- most likely, the general advocate was one
- those people are now removed, one by one, with various methods
As a result, the culture of impunity can continue.
The general advocate who was jailed - she was the person who received, among other documents (likely thousands of documents), the recommendations of the IDF internal investigators about the Rafah ambulance massacre (killing of 15 paramedics and destruction of 5 vehicles).
The IDF recommended to do nothing, claiming that they did nothing particularly wrong, just made some mistakes (executed 15 unarmed medics, some at close range with their hands bound, and tried to conceal the deed).
I don’t know what she would have done, but my reading of the background and signals suggests she might have recommended criminal charges. That would have made her removal absolutely vital for the Netanyahu regime.
*The soldiers accused of carrying out the attack gave a press conference outside the Supreme Court on Sunday, wearing black balaclavas to avoid identification.
The group said they could not receive a fair trial because of the leaked video, and were victims of an unfair “drumhead court-martial”.*
The video of us doing horrendous shit is extremely hurtful to our defense!
While I agree they are unlikely to get a fair trial
- They don’t deserve fairness
- If this wasn’t leaked, they would go un-judged, which is the opposite end of that sliding scale they are complaining about by being outed as torturers.
I do wonder how much of it was “following orders” and how much was pure bloodlust. Neither excuses this, but the former would be indicative of bigger evil up the chain of command.
Everyone deserves a fair trial. If Israel cannot provide one then perhaps The Hague or Palestine can assist them in getting a fair trial.
A very reasonable and sensible perspective, but what if that’s still not going to be a fair trial either? We all have pretty strong opinions about torture, so I think we may need to go the extra mile in this case. If no unbiased jury can be found anywhere on planet Earth, then we’ll have to send them to Mars for a fair trial instead. It doesn’t even have to be elaborate, we can use the rules of the good old fashioned “trial by ordeal”. If you can survive on Mars, that demonstrates you were innocent all along and you can come right back home. Otherwise this is going to get dragged out for years and years while they dig up even more evidence and who knows what else may get discovered. This is really the best option for everyone. All aboard to Mars.
following orders
Now what does that remind of…
Every military ever.
The concept that a soldier is able to disobey an illegal order is flawed. The first thing that happens to them is being thrown in jail awaiting court martial. It’s then on them to prove the order illegal be ause the presumption is that it was legal. It becomes one person against the whole military apparatus.
The penalty if found guilty of refusing to obey orders? At minimum (in the US) a dishonorable discharge. At most a room on death row.
I still think soldier should refuse illegal orders, but the system is setup so they don’t.
Well we just have to make sure the consequences for obeying orders to commit war crimes are worse than what their superiors can dish out for disobeying those orders.
I for one am 100% done with giving soldiers any grace on these matters.
The US has no draft, they choose to join, so they can go fuck themselves.
Assassins paid with taxpayer money, that’s all they are.Israel does. Compulsory service.
You should update your minimum. In the US military It’s actually an NJP to start. You can request court martial if desired and it goes from there.
Dishonorable discharge is very rare and you’re likely to end up with an OTH or BCD if the “infraction” is significant. I’d rather have some jail time than shoot civilians tbh.Not even an NJP if you’re a Nuke. I’ve told admirals to their face that I wasn’t going to break the book to follow their stupid orders. I realize we are the prima donnas of the military though, and I wasn’t just a Nuke.
What is a Nuke?
It’s someone who works on a nuclear powered ship. You have to take extra tests to get on a nuke and they only allow the smartest ASVAB scores to take the test.
Navy Nuclear Power Program Member
You always have a choice.
This is what happens with Fascist thugs. American citizens in the US are getting shot in the back by ICE and beaten. People are dissappearing or held in detention with no camera footage to leak. Same shit, different continent.
Both equally idf terrorists like to terrorize paleatinins rape and torture them following Israel leaders policies
Everyone deserves a fair trial ffs. That’s how you prevent innocent people being thrown in jail.
how much was pure bloodlust.
90%, they’re bred like that since they were born.
“How are we supposed to defend ourselves if you have all that evidence against us? It isn’t fair!”
“Showing video of our actions is blood libel”
Why does this type of bald faced deflection still work enough that they can keep doing it
Jews who defend Israel’s Gaza Genocide are doing more to spread anti-Semitism than anything since WWII.
because it’s geopolitically convenient
It’s absolutely shameless, they don’t care how transparent their accusations are.
Blood libel or ritual murder libel is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
The fuck? Nobody was making any kind of claim like that. Why did he bring it up?
It’s the “fake news” of the right wing Zionist politicos.
Deflection to be used to say this is more antisemitism to his base
The most fucked up part about this story is that hundreds of Israeli fascists literally stormed the military base the perpetrators were being imprisoned — committing domestic terrorism — in defence of the war criminals, demanding their release.
Israel is a fascist state because its founders spent the last century propagandising its citizens and the entire Jewish diaspora. It’s not a surprise the Israeli majority think Palestinians are sub-human and their extermination is justified; that will not change for generations, and only after Israel is globally shunned, militarily neutered, required to return to its original borders, and pay to rebuild all of Palestines infrastructure.
Unfortunately, it’s not just an Israeli thing. There’s lots of Zionists in NA who say things like ‘the Palestinians don’t even know how to farm’…
They don’t like it when you point out that Israel stole the more fertile areas
And all the stolen land projects on the west bank are strategically built to close up water access
They’re useless people. Look how much change Israel has accomplished in the last 60 years! They created a large economy, industrialized, created so many farms and made the land productive. None of the Arab states want to take all the Palestinians, which shows you what they really think. And the Palestinians are terrorists too.
I just can’t even with people sometimes.
I watch this guy on YouTube who is Palestinian and talks to Israeli, last guy said he advocates for the murder of children because of October 7
JFC. I’m trying to imagine someone saying this, like what could be going through their head. I just can’t.
He just kept saying all Palestinians are evil and when he was a truck driver for the IDF he wishes he got a chance to kill Palestinians, while simultaneously saying it’s not a genocide.
The fascist mental illness on full display.
I’ve let myself watch just one short video of atrocities committed by Israel in the last couple years and I still think about it and choke up thinking about it daily. Just one of many like it.
I am not the strongest person emotionally despite a really tough exterior, I have seen a lot of death and been through some shit. So to think about what’s been happening there all day, every day, to families and children, it’s too much to process. I have to advocate in a completely detached frame or I will be unable to form a cognitive thought.
That’s OK. You’re doing the best you can. Try to go easy on yourself.
The level of suffering people all over the world go through on a daily basis in unimaginable and we’re not capable of caring about it in depth and still functioning. Best you can do is be aware it exists and keep a wall up, only lowering it on occasions where you might be able to help. The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
It’s wild because I was raised conservative and was one until I left the family compound (let that one sink in) and it was reading, learning and experiencing human life that turned me around pretty fast. I saw science being ignored, I saw heartlessness, I saw them fabricate justification to start a war, and one particular night I saw FOX news play a live feed of a US humvee entering Baghdad shred a civilian truck to pieces with a grenade launcher for no reason, and they were playing patriotic music and had American flags all over the graphics and I got really sick and never watched FOX news again.
I’m so glad you got away from that. It’s hard to not completely succumb to misanthropy sometimes and stories like yours remind me that there’s some hope.
This is just nation level virtue signaling, the Israelis do not give a single shit about the Palestinians.
And it’s just going to get worse. The Israelis are going to eradicate the Gazans and then a few years later they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel. Not guilty enough to repatriate the Palestinians mind you, it will instead be about helping the Palestinians where they’re now refugees. Israel is liberal Elmo, the state.
they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel.
No they won’t.
one of their ministers is publicly bragging about treating prisoners like shit and humiliating them, jails have posters of gaza in rumbles with the caption “the new gaza”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-LvbfPaST-c
Shout out to the future terrorist attacks fueled by the abuse these Israeli’s put these people through. You asked for this by treating people like animals. Just like I told my buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Kill a non-combatant and create 20 new combatants.
All to justify the continued genocide.
Tomer-Yerushalmi appeared to be a model servant of the state. Only the second woman to rise to the position, in 2021, she was appointed chief military advocate – effectively the IDF’s top lawyer.
She was shaping up to be such a good little war criminal, but she just had go and develop a moral compass…
The country was also still in the grip of profound shock and, for many citizens, fury at the October 7 massacre, with extremely limited concern for the treatment of detained Palestinians.
Such a way with words. “extremely limited concern for the treatment of detained Palestinians” is a very pretty way to say “thirsting for the blood of innocent civilians”
October 7 massacre
vs
detained Palestinians
Completely ignoring the starved, bombed, and shot ones not in detention (they are dead)
but she just had go and develop a moral compass
It’s not so straightforward.
Traditionally Israel’s government and military have considered the existence of an independent judiciary a crucial barrier to international legal tribunals investigating Israel for alleged abuses against Palestinians.
Where there is a robust national legal system willing and able to investigate and prosecute crimes, international courts are less likely to have jurisdiction to intervene.
“Don’t they understand we had no choice? That the only way to address the wave of international legal proceedings is by proving we can investigate ourselves?” the investigative reporter Ronen Bergman quoted the advocate general telling colleagues six weeks ago, in a report for Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.
In recent decades many Israelis have seen the role of the military advocate general “as protecting soldiers from prosecution abroad”, said Prof Yagil Levy, head of the Institute for the Study of Civil-Military Relations at Israel’s Open University.
“In other words, the law is not upheld as a value in itself, but as a defence against international tribunals.”
Her office exists (to self-police just enough?) to avert international prosecution.
“We promise that we will never do it again (with the cameras on).”
